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Archers thread #112: Quelle beau de lollox! And yet we stick with it. Discuss The Archers here.

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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 18/11/2019 22:43

Thank you, @PseudoBadger, for kicking off this long, long series of Archers threads.

All views on The Archers welcome here! New blood welcomed. We don't all agree on all points and most of us are posting tongue in cheek a lot of the time, so don't worry about revealing that you'd like Alf to stay around, or other unusual views.

Spoilers: not on this thread, please. We don't wait for the omnibus to discuss the weeknight episodes, but we do try our best to avoid cross-contamination from www.mumsnet.com/Talk/radio_addicts/3439443-keep-it-to-yourself-the-archers-spoilers-thread-4, where spoilers are positively welcomed!

For newer listeners, lurkers or those who just have no idea what we're talking about, @DadDadDad has created this useful thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/radio_addicts/3557323-For-Archers-fans-a-guide-to-acronyms-on-the-long-running-discussion-threads-and-any-other-meta-thread-questions-you-may-have - BOOP point for him! (See thread for explanation.)

Thanks to @DoctorTwo for the thread title! I was strongly tempted by R4's suggestion of Wildlife on Four: Jonneh is wild at Lily, Phoebe rewilds by Occam, Joy is in the wilderness and David is bewildered by a marriage proposal.

So we did make it past Joe's funeral at last. Are we heading for a Christmas octogenarian wedding now?

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AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 07/12/2019 22:35

Kirsty has form for trying to matchmake for Helen: remember her giving Leon Helen's telephone number after Helen had specifically said she didn't want him to have it?

MissBarbary · 08/12/2019 01:23

Was anyone else a fan of Welcome to our Village, Please Invade Carefully ?

I'm listening to it on YouTube and honestly the plots make more sense than most recent Archers episodes.

WheresThatCatGoneNow · 08/12/2019 12:41

Who is/was Leon?

MikeUniformMike · 08/12/2019 12:45

Leon was Helen's boyfriend, about 10 or 11 years ago. He was Australian, I think.
He raped Annette, who was staying at Helen's flat, resulting in Annette being pregnant. She chose not to have the baby, but it made Helen broody. Helen didn't know about the rape.

WheresThatCatGoneNow · 08/12/2019 15:55

Ah, thanks for that, Mike.

All of that would have been before I started listening (2013)

Didn't even know Helen had ever had her own flat

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 08/12/2019 17:00

Leon did not actual raped Annette to the best of my knowledge; she was a pretty willing participant, as far as I remember. She was fairly keen on sex in general, though Leon being Helen's boyfriend slightly turned her off the idea of sex with him for about ten minutes before she decided that yes indeed, it was a good idea. She regretted it the following day when she realised it was a really nasty thing to have done to her sort-of-stepmother-ish, and turned him down later in the week when he suggested a re-match.

Helen had waited until the flat above the shop, which Neil had renovated with help from Christopher (help given because Christopher desperately wanted to leave home) had definitely gone to someone else and then told Tony that since she wanted it, he had to tell Peggy it was already taken. Tony did as he was told, and Helen moved in over the shop. She lived there from February 2009 through until early March 2011 when she realised that it would be a lot easier for her to look after Henry if Pat and Tony did it, and moved back into Bridge Farm.

BoreOfWhabylon · 08/12/2019 17:51

Ah yes, fiercely independent Hellin and her very own flat. She was horrible to Tony too.

Remember this thread?

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/1109577-To-be-Very-Pissed-Off-at-My-Dad-for-Bringing-a-Lovely-Baby-Toy-Around

Fink · 08/12/2019 17:57

While we're on the subject of evil men in TA, I've asked before and never found out: why must HWMNBN not be named? I was listening when Darrell was around, but not yet on these threads. The answer I've got before was basically that Darrell was a nasty piece of work. Which is true, but surely he's no worse than Owen the rapist, Cameron Fraser, Matt Crawford, Titchner father and son and so on. What made Darrell so uniquely hated by people on the message boards?

BoreOfWhabylon · 08/12/2019 18:10

Iirc, Darrell was basically just totally wet and ineffectual rather than bad (although I always felt sorry for him)

And Smugula was totally awful to him when she took him in out of "christian charity".

He was much happier when he decamped to the Grundys' old caravan (did he ever move out from there?)

WheresThatCatGoneNow · 08/12/2019 18:12

Oh wow, Bore! Thankyou so much for that link. Best laugh I've had for ages

Absolutely love all the outraged posts by people who didn't get the joke.

BTW, was Lynda really going through IVF treatments?

if it's another joke!

BoreOfWhabylon · 08/12/2019 18:14

No!

SurpriseSparDay · 08/12/2019 18:20

The answer I've got before was basically that Darrell was a nasty piece of work. Which is true,

He was easily led. The reason he was HWMNBN here was that PseudoBadger (original thread starter) couldn’t stand him!

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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 08/12/2019 18:28

He wasn't a nasty piece of work, just a whiny bore without the moral compass and backbone to avoid getting dragged into minor crime. When Vanessa Whitburn was coming up to retirement he seemed to be in every episode and it was a huge relief when he disappeared at last. I loathed him too, so HWMNBN is a cracking name for him!

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WheresThatCatGoneNow · 08/12/2019 18:33

Oh heck, joke's on me now, then!

MissBarbary · 08/12/2019 19:28

Run fast Lee. This will not end well.

EBearhug · 08/12/2019 19:32

Lee can't last in Ambridge - he realised he stopped Helen telling him something important.

DoctorTwo · 08/12/2019 19:46

How lovely it was to hear Clarrie and Emma together.

echt · 08/12/2019 20:12

Cue Lee's ex-wife going ballistic when she finds out he's going out with a husband-stabber.

MikeUniformMike · 08/12/2019 20:22

Leon didn't rape Annette.
HWMNBN was a story line that dominated and then fizzled out.

I'm glad that Lee and Helen had that chat.
At least Lee can use his martial arts expertise if she gets a knife out.

inkysplatter · 08/12/2019 21:02

The Franchise Affair is on my bedside table, it's my next read. So glad I'm in good company.

I can't stand Helen and her and Lee have no discernible chemistry and nothing in common. I know she's traumatised but considering standing him up again was just horrid. I think Kirsty was right to encourage her though, sometimes you need a friend to give you a shove in the right direction.

BertrandRussell · 08/12/2019 21:09

I like The Singing Sands best. They’ve all dated badly in terms of depiction of social class - but so have most Golden Age detectives.

MissBarbary · 08/12/2019 21:18

but so have most Golden Age detectives

I only read Gaudy Night a couple of years ago. It has not worn well.

inkysplatter · 08/12/2019 21:33

The Franchise Affair is on my bedside table, it's my next read. So glad I'm in good company.

BertrandRussell · 08/12/2019 21:34

I only read Gaudy Night a couple of years ago. It has not worn well.“

UnholyStramash · 08/12/2019 22:08

I think many posters on these threads disliked Darryl. His story ran and ran - or crawled and crawled rather - then his really whiny voice is what I remember most but he was a bit wet in general. Then he seemed to fizzle out of the scripts. As I remember it, HWMNBN was coined (by yours truly) so as not to remind the writers (we now it’s just the intern, thanks to chemenger) that he existed.

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