Discuss The Archers #107: Beware of the Dragon! Peggy's in her den awaiting bids - who gets the hoard and who gets flamed?

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Thank you, @PseudoBadger, for kicking off this long, long series of Archers threads and @DadDadDad for being our resident statistician and keeping the ball rolling when Pseudo stepped back a bit.

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Thanks to @MrsGrindah for inspiration for the title of this thread. I was hoping to find a way to combine it with @C8H10N4O2's inspired suggestion of '"The Assumption of the Ambridge Angel' and @chemenger's comment 'I hope she gets kicked in the head by a horse and wakes up an atheist', but it all got a bit too lengthy.

Odds on Joe shuffling off this mortal coil before this thread ends? We've been marking/anticipating his passing for a while now.

Emma gets back with the more ambitious Will?

Will is horrible now, but what was he like before his marriage to Emma fell apart and he discovered that she'd slept with Ed shortly before marrying Will?

Were there any red flags in Will and Emma's relationship, or was the problem solely that she fancied Ed more?

I was listening to the Archers then but can't remember.

Someone who paid a million pounds or so for something should be expected just to give it away? If Oliver really didn't want the place, he would sell it; he is likely to need the money to pay for a home in his old age. Why should he be of less account than Joe, for whom he has given up his home for several years out of sentiment?

I can think of no plausible reason for the Grundys to be given Grange Farm in perpetuity. Only Sean O'Connor's wish for things not to have changed since he covered a maternity leave on the programme in 1999 forced Oliver and Caroline to give away their home in the first place, and I see no reason at all for Oliver to have to lose his life savings for Ed's benefit. He's given him plenty already, and Ed has frittered it all away.

If the Grundys (in particular Joe) wanted to stay at Grange Farm they should have worked a bit harder and paid their rent on time, instead of whinging the whole time about the Evil Archers Having Taken Their Right To Have Brookfield. That was always a lie: Brookfield and Grange Farm were both leased from the Lawson-Hope estate, and Archers had been the tenants of Brookfield for six generations before Dan got the money together to buy it when the Squire sold up in 1954. At that time both farms were 100 acres, and Grange Farm was better land because it didn't include Lakey Hill, fit only for sheep.

George Grundy, Joe's father, must be spinning in his grave about how useless his son turned out to be.

Arpafeelie Will and Ed have always had a difficult relationship , from childhood , it could be sibling rivalry. I remember saying Clarrie that Eddie and his brother had a toxic relationship too..

Arpafeelie, Will was a fairly pleasant and generous adolescent until Emma got her hooks into him and started to keep him and his brother on a string and play them off against each other.

He understandably objected to his younger brother stealing his car and crashing it and writing it off, and his girlfriend being seriously injured in the crash, and that was the start of his real dislike of Ed.

It was after Emma told him their child was his brother's, and by doing so made it clear to him that she'd married him even though she was having sex with his brother, that he became seriously untrusting and bitter, and I don't blame him. If you think about it, he had no reason to think it had been a one night stand. For all he knew they had been screwing throughout his marriage and laughing about him being so stupid that he didn't notice. That would probably upset most people.

Sorry "Clarrie saying".

Oh and Emma fancied Ed MUCH more than po faced Will.

ppeatfruit, Will was protective of Ed when they were children. He did things like killing the peacock that had terrified Ed, and hiding it in the freezer. It wasn't until 2002 that he began to dislike Ed, and that was because of Emma.

Emma should leave the grundies or she risks her life turning out like Clarries.

Just making sure who's who!

Is Tracy Horrobin Susan's sister?

Which would make her Emma's auntie.

Is that right?

If you say so Asking .

De lurking ....... 😁

I think the house sale will fall through. Emma will leave Ed and move back home to live with her parents.
She will then cause chaos in both Will and Ed's lives and go on and be a successful single mother entrepreneur!! This house situation will initially break her but she will rise again, more successful than before. She was meant for better things. Perhaps even Peggy's half a million. 🤪

I can live in hope. I have always liked Emma. She isn't always easy to like but I think she is the most real of all the Grundys. A lot less like a caricature than they are. I find them utterly infuriating.

Where'sthat Yes that's right, Susan's maiden name was Horrobin.

as if events are leading up to an awful crescendo. Grrr. "Crescendo" means growing (towards a climax). Leading up to growing towards a climax doesn't really have the intended punch. Sorry. I've been wanting to say that for a long time.But there's not much point to shouting at people on the radio.

My Bodybalance teacher used to tell us to ‘rise to new depths’.

@MereDintofPandiculation that was a bit unnecessarily rude to a fellow poster!

Sorry, I didn't ,mean it personally. It just really irritates me every time I hear it 'cos it doesn't make sense! Even though nearly everybody uses it.

The actress portraying Emma is brilliant-that quaver in her voice-heartbreaking.

Kate was appalling. I would love to shove a yurt up her backside-wide end first. Hopefully, something horrible is waiting for her.

I agree completely. "Are you begging?" or whatever it was she said. How vindictive 😡

Sorry I upset you mere. I thought crescendo was a synonym of climax. I stand corrected.

I also thought the present perfect continuous tense was used when describing an activity that is unfinished. Since you said (or wrote) what you wanted at the beginning of your message perhaps your sentence should read "I've wanted to say that for a long time".

perhaps your sentence should read "I've wanted to say that for a long time". Yes, it probably should have done.

If I'd been in the room when Kate said that I don't think I'd have been able to refrain from reminding her that she has never stood on her own two feet financially in her entire life. What a cow she is.

The thing is though, Emma was begging. But I do agree that Kate was being vile, and stones and glass houses come to mind.

Oh i was mad at Kate. I’d have loved if Emma had come back with ‘yes i am begging, i would do anything to house my children, i can’t imagine dropping a sprog on practically every continent and fucking off and leaving them but that’s just me’

Peggy did make some sort of acid backhanded comment that a more self-aware Kate should have picked up on. Can't remember what it was though. On the lines of "there are plenty of people who..."

Ooh yes Madame, I would have loved to hear Kate being told some home truths like that! Someone needs to do it.

And yes Mere, it was something along the lines of people thinking Peggy was a pushover, but finding out the hard way, that she isn't.

Ok, I'm getting really frustrated here! Exchanging contracts is not affected by Ed losing his job. They just keep quiet and carry on. Ok, it's fraud but by this stage in proceedings who gives a toss. Or have I missed something?