The Archers #93: The Flower and Produce show - who's going to get their just desserts. Freddie? Ellis? Russ? Pass judgement here.

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No, that's not a jokey exaggeration, this is really the 93rd thread in a series started by PseudoBadger five years ago! In fact, post number 90,000 in the "official" count will be made on this thread.

Lovers of The Archers welcome (along with the rest of us who have a more complicated relationship with the "TA" ).

One rule we try to stick to: No mentioning of future episode plotlines published in the Radio Times etc. However, once an episode has aired, say what you like!

What is going to happen to Freddie? And are we ever going to hear from Lily again?
I also am wondering what it will take for Kenton to apologise to Fallon...

Exactly Tiger

Errol Statistically it certainly is, I know a lot of people badly injured in falls from horses who are still in pain years afterwards, surprisingly few in Amb. though. I can only think of Chris. and that injury is probably is common for blacksmiths.

Thank you Teeny for linking that blog. My work means that I have a reasonable understanding of how prison works, and have been inside several (usually adult male - actually because that’s the majority of the estate), but it’s alarming how quickly you come to understand the reason for some of the madness that she mentions and then without realising it cease to question it.

Just noticed my post upthread referred to a women's pleasure. No idea how that happened but I meant to refer to a women's prison.

Oh dear, I’d better stop DS with his new found love of horses and tell him to take up drugs!

We’ve been listening to it over breakfast lately which has been great for discussing the perils of prison.
Interesting that it seems Josh and other of Freddie‘s peers had heard rumours for a while but kept quiet.

It’s a bit galling that everyone e keeps going on about how Freddie should not be in the YOI with ‘criminals’. He has been dealing Class As for ages, he’s been caught, he’s being punished. He is, by definition, a criminal.

I think the prison system is broken, I think that there are huge problems but Freddie is not ‘too good’ for YOI because he’s a posh boy, the YO system is awful for everyone.

BolleauxtoBankers

Ah yes, guilty as charged m'lady.

Back in the days when Chris Harrison and before that Tim were writing the summaries and TNMF still frequented the waters.

Would you have also been a Sheddi?

Caffeine, I popped my head round the corner of the shed once or twice but rarely got involved there. I am proud to say that I have met TNMF (and LFF), but Chris Harrison and Tim preceded me, I think. I cannot for the life of me imagine who you might be, apart from someone who is not a mum and who is posting there again after a long respite. So probably not you!
To bring this back on topic, poor Hilda Ogden! (Or should that be, poor Christine?)

a woman's pleasure

Could almost have been rhyming slang for her majesty’s leisure

There's no way the new wave of 'designer drugs' - until recently 'legal highs' could be properly risk assessed.

I think part of the drive to constantly tweak formulations is to keep one step ahead of the law. There would be less incentive to invent new and untested things if they were legal.

If Freddie was selling ‘smart’ drugs then they are legal substances, just prescription only - things like Ritalin and Adderall - the sort of thing they prescribe for ADHD.

Ecstasy was developed as a diet drug and was used for relationship therapy before they banned it because it was being used recreationally. It’s now being trialled for treating PTSD. There have been trials with LSD and psilocybin (the chemical in magic mushrooms) for therapeutic uses too.

As soon as Hilda hove into view, I knew there'd be trouble. My cat makes assassination bids on a daily basis by snaking between my ankles at high speed when I'm only trying to walk from A to B. Cats are bastards.

Moving on to semantics, at what point/age does a person "have a fall" as opposed to "bring tripped up up/tripping over something/falling off a ladder"? It's definitely age-related.

I was half listening and hadn't realised it was that cursed cat.

Maybe 'have a fall' coincides with 'I've fallen and I can't get up'?

Thats what motivates me to keep doing squats and never use my arms to get up off the floor let alone out of a chair.

Would you have also been a Sheddi? Are we talking uk.rec.sheds here? Or something else entirely?

Thats what motivates me to ... never use my arms to get up off the floor let alone out of a chair. I do that too! Though I do have to use one knee to get off the floor - I can no longer rock forward off my bum to get up from a cross-legged position without hands.

I liked the way Christine spoke to Fallon at the teashop, she made it plain that she really understood what it meant to be on the side of the law but feel unpopular in the community. I also thought Christine sounded much more together than Peggy usually gives her credit for, Peggy tends to look down on Christine and treats her as if she were stupid.

Gersemi I was LOL (sorry) because I thought you were referring to The Queen's prisons and the inmates being there at Her Majesty's Pleasure !!!!! It was your computer's fault I'm assuming!

There will be young men in that YOI who have had WAY more traumatic lives than Freddy and will have much greater MH problems too.

Bolleax

I have met TNMF (and LFF)

Ah yes, we met a the wedding of a mutual friend in Cambs, entirely unrelated to the group. There were only 14 people on the internet then

MereDinto

Are we talking uk.rec.sheds

The one and only. Back in the days when the sun always shone and it never rained etc etc etc

I liked the way Christine spoke to Fallon at the teashop

Me too. I particularly liked Fallon being able to voice the comment about "this lot would have capital punishment back for other people but want their own to get off scott free". The hypocrisy around Freddie has been monstrous.

Irrespective of opinions on drugs or YOIs under the current law on Class As and the current conditions he got off lightly. Freddie wasn't swapping the odd spliff, he was repeatedly dealing in Class As and nearly killed his cousin.

Jill seemed to be coming to less of a 'poor freddie' position, and Peggy, while sympathetic is more realistic. She's seen the effects of legal substance abuse (her first alcoholic husband) and was truly supportive of Helen.

Errol

Yes agree regarding Jill and Peggy - I expected Peggy to react like that, has seen too much of people's "real" sides.

Fascinating though that even in the face of someone they know making the charge, many of the family kept trivialising it and blaming Harrison. At the same time, those who felt he had done the right thing and had direct family experience of the problems side of drugs felt the need to apologise for their views.

I was wondering how it might have differed if it were George in a few years.

Harrison might have had more support in the village if he had ever solved any crime, apart from that one time. He really should have got one of his buddies to do the arrest instead.

Harrison might have had more support in the village if he had ever solved any crime

That is hardly fair - we don't hear about the day to day working of most of the characters but we don't assume they are incompetent!

Even if Harrison had been Serpico do you really think Kenton would have behaved more reasonably? They are behaving exactly as many MC/UC families do - it can't possibly be my child and "those places" are for the common folk.

we don't hear about the day to day working of most of the characters

Are you listening to a different programme from me!?

The vast majority of stones are not solved, so he may not be underperforming. Some stats here:www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jun/17/figures-less-than-5-of-burglaries-and-robberies-in-uk-solved