Lies and subterfuge in Ambridge - from a policeman? That's just not cricket! Discuss The Archers here.

[PseudoBadger]

Thank you R4 for the title.

I remember an article about men who won't marry their girlfriends because they want to marry a virgin - despite the gf having been a virgin when they got together....

Lillian is a good time girl and I can't imagine she wants to live out her years stuck in the confines of a marriage with a man she knows won't be faithful to her.

Lillian is suffering from Changed Personality Disorder. She was desperate to marry Matt because she didn't want to live out her final years on her own. She seems to have forgotten all that now.
I expect Brine to be doing all he can to hasten the pairing: it will give him a solid connection to Justin/Damara and, more to the point, will get Lillian out of Home Farm.

Does Justin have any inheritors DC?

I have a horrible feeling that Kirsty will use the money to finance a joint Nuffieldish enterprise with Tom and/or Helen.

Lilian loved Matt.
Justin was just a fun distraction, FWB and to spoil her. But I don't think she loves him m.

I think this sudden - and as she says, completely unasked for - move by Justin, and his assumptions (he didn't actually propose, did he?) have not unreasonably discombobulated Lillian. She thought they were just having a no-strings pure fun fling - friends with benefits and a dress allowance. Her mother's and sister's disapproval make her think she should want to be 'made an honest woman of' (but they aren't prudish about non-marital sex, its the extra-marital which they, like many of us, take exception to) . And she likes Justin. Whereas I think he has actually fallen in love with her.

If Justin was just a fun distraction then why did we have all the despond and Deep Sighs Lillian's theatrical deep sighs drive me demented when it looked like they were going to stop.

She liked the fun of the affair but I don't think she wants to be a wife. It's escalated pretty quickly!!

I really hope that there will be a heart-to-heart discussion to sort out the basis of the relationship, not a throwing him over.

I've forgotten how much money it is - maybe not enough to fund her for some sort of qualification in environmental type stuff. She should think about what she really wants to do, which I don't think is to carry on being a health club manager forever, and something like that which would give her purpose and Patrick would be what I'd want her to invest in.

You're the second person to say 'fun'. It wasn't fun, was it - she destroyed a marriage.

Yes - I wouldn't like my boyfriend assuming that I was going to move in with him and marry him. It's presumptuous of him. Especially as he is still married! It's also not like he really chose her either - if Miranda hadn't given him an ultimatum things wouldn't have changed. In a way, he has chosen ambridge over Miranda - not necessarily Lillian.

I don't t think it's unusual for a mistress to get cold feet when the boyfriend leaves his wife.

If Justin was just a fun distraction then why did we have all the despond and Deep Sighs

If you had a really entertaining pastime which you could no longer do, wouldn't it piss you off?

Xpost- well it was fun to her.

I personally found the whole sl distasteful and has totally put me off the character!!! Also don't like the way so many other characters have been so supportive of it too

It wasn't fun, was it - she destroyed a marriage.

Many things which people do for 'fun' are destructive, unfortunately. Some people's idea of 'fun' can involve deliberate cruelty.

Does anyone remember a (very much) younger Lillian, desperately worried about her first husband, Nick? I believe he was lost on some expedition somewhere?

Anti I was never keen on LiL, her relationship with Paul was what put me off her and the way she used to talk to Brenda when she was working for her. She 's not that pleasant a person.

Just a selfish alkie.

Lilian isn't just a selfish alkie, just like real life she has good and and bad points.
Good: not snobbish, willing to muck in eg. In the Bull, cares (went to see Helen more than Jenny did).
Bad: can be selfish

Yes true mummytime and she was caring about the old tenants that Matt was keen to get rid of. To the point of dishonesty.

Your 'bad' list is a little short mummytime!
Bad: was a tax exile, horrible to staff (Brenda, Anthea), doesn't do anything (doesn't really work, doesn't do Good Deeds), smokes, broke up Matt's marriage, cheated on him with his brother, got involved in Matt's dodgy dealings, accepted the 'social secretary' role, broke up Justin's marriage, never seems to speak to her DS or DGC, is sponging off her DSis, is self-centred and shallow.

I've just discovered that Lillian is actually a Lilian (one L. Well, two L but only one in the middle)

She is very flawed. Driven mostly by selfishness - which is a common trait in those who are pleasure seekers

Give her her due, she's an excellent rider. :)

Give her her due, she's an excellent rider.

She favours an older stud it seems

Oh. Wow.

BOOP DE BOOP!

Who's up for organising a thread trip to the Spoon Museum?

Did this particular nasty disease get onto the farm when Pip let the cattle escape?