There's a slow hand clap for Knob. Will there be one for Toby? Discuss The Archers here.

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Sorry for the poor title - the end of the last thread has arrived sooner than I thought and I haven't had the benefit of hearing all of the last 2 nights....

Cromwell don't be daft
80g of pasta is around 300 calories. 30g is 100 calories. Unless you're eating it with a sauce full of meat and cheese then 80g is a perfectly suitable quantity, on the low side for a vegetarian too!

"Are you the same people who thought Bartleby was a ferret?"

A trap pulled by a ferret would have been lovely for Elf World.........

2rebecca Is that to me? I don't think we've ever heard Jill's views about Helen and Rob, have we? Jill won't know anything about Rob's background but knows the Fairbrother family. I imagine that she hoped that when Robin went back to his wife it would be the last she'd see of him. Presumably she and Elizabeth went through a fairly rocky patch during the relationship and its aftermath. Maybe she's worried that the presence of T&R might draw Robin back to the village and spell heartache for Elizabeth once more. She's already identified Toby as a 'chip off the old block' following Rex's frank conversation with her a while ago.

Just trying to make some sense of her antipathy towards them.

Everyone in TA has affairs. Jill would be talking to no-one if she was that fussy.

Funnily enough (thinking about Brookfield friendships) Jill doesn't particularly socialise with the other side of the Archer family tree (Jack's extended family) does she? Is it because she isn't an Archer by blood?

She's very chummy with Peggy and Christine, isn't she?

Sorry, I meant the affair prone relatives 😁. I don't think she's particularly judgemental. She tolerated Rex and Toby up until the point that one of them became romantically involved with her immediate family. I suspect she feels she's seen it all before and that history's in danger of repeating itself.

Wow! This thread has certainly moved since last night's episode. Pip is dreadful and her relationship with Toby seems perverse from the start.

I still think the need for the Pip/Toby relationship is a lead in to Jill and her long term issues about Grace. These were foreshadowed last year in the 2hander with Carol when she admitted she still felt second best. At the birthday party, Jill told Carol that 'she should understand' why Jill was unhappy about Toby being there. It's not anything about the Fairbrothers per se but Jill's relationship with her past and the impact of ageing. I'm still wondering if it's a slow burn to dementia.

Pip becoming one of the main characters in future years - no thank you. Unless she has a complete character/actress change it will be dreadful. Let Josh inherit and forget the weird stuff over names.

kazoo and swanny whistle antiboop - brilliant and a perfect description of Pip and Jill!

Francis I'm straight back to apologise. That was absolutely not intended as a dig at you - I meant it as joke. I just thought it was terribly funny to think of AuldAlliance silently reading along saying nothing, but jumping attention for a literary qualification. One of things I love about this thread is that whatever question it throws up there is always an expert on hand. Sorry it didn't come across that way - you are one of my favourite contributors and I almost always agree with you.

O yes I took the "schoolboy error" comment as a joke - admiring how much literary knowledge the poster who knew Melville had!

I certainly wouldn't have had a clue either way

My incest suggestion was a joke because of soc

Jill is going way ott if there isn't something else to it

I understood robin was very much still with his wife and impregnated her whilst having the affair with Liz

Presumably pregnant with Toby? (I thought that too.) A reminder to Jill of a painful time for her daughter? I think Jill is afraid that T will break Pip's heart.

Having accidentally listened again, I have even more sympathy for Jill today than I did yesterday. She said she baked for Peggy and Chris. All she said to Pip was "perhaps if you'd asked?". Maybe she's finally tiring of being the resident cook/cleaner whose opinion doesn't seem to matter - even where her birthday celebrations are concerned.

On the BBC article on the Fairbrothers linked to a few posts above it says Robin was separated when seeing Eliz but still seeing his wife from time to time, which may have just been because they had kids together. I lived with my current husband when still separated from my exhusband and still saw my ex from time to time (and still do). There's "seeing" and "SEEING" . If Robin was still having sex with his wife the BBC should be less euphemistic about it.

I listened again and I don't think Pip that bad an actress, the row was good IMO and her rebellious reaction (moving Toby in ) was interesting because she was USING him to get back at Jill. I don't think she gives much of a shit about him really. Jill is over reacting and being a bit silly too.

The quavering is realistic, Jill was on the edge of tears. She is good actress.

O god my iphone targeted ads on twitter tell me I spend too much time looking at these threads

Francis

Trevor! Better than some of the things MN-inspired browsing can induce though.

Bartleby is very Dickensian.

I've just read the wiki on 'bartleby the scrivener' and it seems like an odd name for a pony.

Have we ever had a description? My mental image is rather round and grey (actually grey, not horse grey ie white) and a bit shaggy most of the time but occasionally combed and prettified.

Ah, but as he's old he'd definitely be white rather than grey - grey horses/ponies are born brown and get lighter as they age.

I always pictured bartleby as a 14 hand ish coloured cob - not a hairy gypsy vanner type, just a good, solid citizen

(Goes back to lurking)

The only Bartleby I know is the fallen angel from the film Dogma

Bartalby is dark bay. I''m sure of it. They've talked about him being shiny, and greys never shine.

Anyone want, by the way, to buy a pony?