I'm a celebrity -get me in The Archers! The jury's out in Ambridge.

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New thread for the celebrity packed hour long special tonight! Welcome to regulars and newbies alike

NO SPOILERS please there's a thread for that here

Added by MNHQ: NB there will be spoilers on this thread for those who are yet to listen to the one hour special.

Here's hoping PC Burns gets on and does a bit of digging into the rape allegations now.

I dunno. He doesn't have a great record on resolving crimes - he can't evenv find a bit of missing bunting. There must be at least one more police officer in Borsetshire.

Dailymail - 'living in the real world'... oh, dear lady. We are in soapland. Were we living in the real world, the jurors would not have pivoted from majority for convicting Helen, to 10-1 acquitting. And yet here we are. And are we not entertained?

at the time there was worldwide sperm shortage

Really? When I was a student they used to pay about £10 a shot. They were swimming in the damn stuff. Is it not like that now?

Helen That's very funny 😁.

To be fair to the jury, they deliberated for several hours. We left when the tide started to turn in Helen's favour. Eileen Atkins summarised the new direction I thought.

We were entertained by this thread, but not by The Deliberations

And what about the space cakes ? That made me laugh

Now the trial is over, she could run to BHC and see Henry at the very least? Me, I'd be picking him up and taking him home.

No - there's still a court order in place and it would be contempt of court. Rob would be delighted if she gave him an excuse to get her arrested again.

Who does the court order cover and in what circumstances? Sorry, I could probably find this out via archived episodes but relying upon encyclopaedic knowledge on this thread to enlighten me!

To be fair to the jury, they deliberated for several hours. We left when the tide started to turn in Helen's favour. Eileen Atkins summarised the new direction I thought.

But that would have required, two of Nigel 'Fathers for Justice' Havers, leary Welsh prick and Angry UKIP man to have changed their minds and they all seemed pretty trenchant. To have them do a complete 180 degree spin and acquitting on both charges wasn't realistic.

Didn't at least one of them say he didn't care as long as he got out of there soon?

Jackie and Tristram were never going to budge - he from experience and empathy, she from intellectual grasp of the case and a lifetime of feminist experience. The other women were either already in the not guilty camp or moving towards it, even Lisa. The others were mute (one reason why they never got round the whole table was to keep it down to 8 voices) so lets assume they would go with the tide, or weren't assertive enough to speak against the initially dominant 'guilty' camp. Or they may have woken up when the foreman revealed his true colours and his agenda ... He wanted to punish Helen because of what he claimed his wife had done to him. The other two blokes (and some of the others) probably realised the only way to get a majority was to go with Jackie and Tristram.

I guess they didn't so much changed their minds as had enough of a seed of doubt and acquitted on that basis?

I'm worried about Henry tonight. what will happen about custody now?

They didn't even have to change their minds about Helen, just listen to the woman patiently explaining what self defence means and trying to get everyone to understand the terms. I reckon the Welsh guy and the Kipper would have come round in the end. Clearly the Fathers for Justice activist was never going to budge.

DesolateWaist

I have an idea the supply dried up when (contrary to the anonymity they had been promised) donors found out that the children had a right to know the identity of their fathers.

There might be more to it than that.

I did say much earlier on this evening - that tonight was Friday afternoon and some jurors will be more concerned about going to the pub than the verdict.
The Brexit stuff pissed me right off - ? WTF ? ? ?
Clearly I was the only person who loved Eileen Atkins with her special biscuits

2005 if that fits

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4397249.stm

Really? When I was a student they used to pay about £10 a shot. They were swimming in the damn stuff. Is it not like that now?

Uk market has dried up due to having no right to anonymity after 2005- the child has a right to be told your name when they are an adult.
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4397249.stm

The London sperm bank says that demand is greater than supply
www.londonspermbank.com

At the time Henry was conceived the waiting list for sperm even from overseas was over a year but Helen got some within days.

Psuedo - we listened - so you don't have to

you might need a new thread title soon

Oh yes, the biscuits - Tristram not quite believing what the elderly lady had just said, and I think Parveen missing the point and just being surprised she was a baker was a moments light relief.

No-one has ever mentioned Henry being tall and into windmill, bicycles and bulbs have they?

Is he short and fat with a tendency to cook? If so Ian could be the father

I don't know anyone who's had to wait for donor sperm - and I know a lot of people with donor-conceived children.

I don't know anyone who's had to wait for donor sperm - and I know a lot of people with donor-conceived children.

At the time there was a lot of reporting about it, saying that it was unrealistic. Surely not - this is the archers [wink}

Lots of people have private arrangements that they broker themselves online. I remember hearing a woman tell of how she went to pick it up in the motorway services!

I think that the jury turned when Nigel Havers showed that despite his charming manner he had been given an injunction to keep away from his wife so was clearly not that charming at home! Give the that this was exactly the evidence that Helen and Jess had given about Rob, I think that his revelation about his wife made even the pro-guilty members of the jury think "well he seemed very nice at first but he's obviously been up to no good, I can't believe I fell for his nice manners! Hmmm, maybe I can see where Helen Titchenor is coming from....." Bingo - reasonable doubt!

I think that's spot on Alice. I would have of liked to of heard a little bit more of them starting to change their minds but I suppose that would of ruined the tension for the verdict!

It was quite cleverly done and Nigel's character was most definitely another "Rob". Right down to getting angry as soon as anyone didn't react exactly how he wanted them to.

Report of shortage in Birmingham in 2011- right area and time for Helen conceiving- talks about long waiting list
www.locallyhealthy.co.uk/story/birmingham-sperm-bank-launches-drive-recruit-donors

I know- I am over obsessed about this.