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Archers spoilers or Archers spoiled? You decide. Thread the Second

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BoreOfWhabylon · 09/05/2016 23:06

And so it continues. We still have one long-term prediction from the start of the last thread that has not yet come to pass - the burning down of Lower Loxley.

But there is still time...

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BoreOfWhabylon · 22/08/2016 20:36

Ah yes, Puccini. SOC is nothing if not derivative.

It works for the Smugula, Lizard and Doc Locke s/l but possibly also for Knob & Hells

Knob sails across the seas with Henwee and Gack.

He returns three years hence, complete with Transatlantic Wife (aka 'Mummy' to Henwee and Gack)

Hellin, finally released from jail, falls to her knees and tops herself with a sharpened shard of aged cheese.

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Gruach · 22/08/2016 20:52

My least favourite opera - by about 100 miles.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 23/08/2016 16:20

TOTAL TV GUIDE 27 AUG - 2 SEPT 2016

Tensions running high with the trial drawing closer.

Rob has a run-in with Ian at the cricket when he offers Adam batting advice.

Pat fears for her daughter after reading Rob's family court statement.

Anna worries that Helen is still withholding evidence.

As opera fans gather at Lower Loxley for Madame Butterfly, Shula realises Richard is also on his own and suggests they sit together, but Carol has other plans.

Elizabeth is wondering about her children's futures following their GCSE results.

With autumn beckoning, thoughts turn to the Flower and Produce Show and memories of Freda Fry.

MrsArthurShappey · 24/08/2016 14:59

Rob has a run-in with Ian at the cricket when he offers Adam batting advice.

If he doesn't say something about Adam 'batting for the other team' (a saying favoured by my parents Hmm), I'll be most disappointed!

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 25/08/2016 20:17

R4 website says the judge is going to be played by Nigel Anthony. This is a very familiar name to me but I can't think why - anyone got any pointers? I would think he must be a R4 fixture as IMDB is no help.

Bruce is back for the week of the trial. With any luck he, Rob and Ursula will make an appalling impression on the judge and jury while Pat, Tony, Tom and Johnnie just come across like normal people (as far as Ambridge people can, anyway).

JudyCoolibar · 25/08/2016 22:49

Nigel Anthony is one of those familiar TV faces - his most obvious long-running part seems to be Megan Roach's husband in Casualty. For some reason I can't link to a picture, but if you put "Casualty Ted Roach" into Google it should bring some pictures up.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 26/08/2016 11:28

Aha! Thanks. I don't watch Casualty but occasionally sit through it at my parents' house. I need to hear his voice, I think, to work out where I know the name from. I did see from something online that he was in a play with an actor who lives near us and with whom I'm on hobnobbing terms, so I'll ask about him next time our paths cross.

Gumpendorf · 28/08/2016 08:03

Some more teasers....

28 Aug It is a busy day at the cricket, and Ian and Rob come toe to toe.
29 Aug Anna makes a last attempt, and Richard has a wonderful evening.
30 Aug Shula lets it all pour out, and Freddie surveys his surroundings.
31 Aug Tom realises he has got his work cut out, and Ian makes up for lost time.
1 Sep Brian gives Adam a heads up, and Elizabeth needs more time.
2 Sep Helen tries her best, and Eddie is on a hiding to nothing.

4 Sep Rob explains things from his point of view, and Tom is alert to the tiniest details.
5 Sep Kirsty speaks her mind, and Helen is emotional.
6 Sep Anna is asking questions, and Peggy takes it all in.
7 Sep Helen is challenged, and Pat is determined to show her support.
8 Sep Ian makes a quick exit, and Shula grows increasingly uncomfortable.
9 Sep Helen has questions for Anna, and Johnny stands by his family.

11 Sep Tony can't keep still, and Pat is full of questions.
12 Sep Kirsty supports the Bridge Farm Archers, and Rob tells Henry he loves him.
13 Sep Joe's spirits will not be lifted, and Ian's ears are burning.
14 Sep Anna is hopeful, and Josh gets an eyeful.
15 Sep Oliver revises his plans, and David starts to scheme.
16 Sep Pat and Ursula clash, and Rob thinks about his new job.

Gumpendorf · 28/08/2016 08:11

Hmmmm.... no clues as to the verdict at all but implied confirmation that the trial goes into the second week.

I was hoping the judge would be female and rile Rob into revealing his true colours. Hmm

Gruach · 28/08/2016 08:43

Yay! Grundys are coming (into their own)?Star

That must be it surely if Oliver is rethinking?

pennygoodlife · 28/08/2016 17:27

I wonder what Susan will have to say about it all? I can't help hoping she has some massive apologies to make

BoreOfWhabylon · 28/08/2016 18:41

Thank you Gumpendorf

Looks to me like trial will go into third week?

And yay! to Ollie plan revision!

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JudyCoolibar · 28/08/2016 21:14

I'm sort of hoping Anna might be hopeful when waiting for the jury - and maybe Pat and Ursula might clash about what happens next with Henry? But maybe that's over-optimistic.

Eastpoint · 29/08/2016 05:17

There's an article in today's Times on the trial,
Week-long trial as Archers wife stands accused. I hope this lets you read it.

BoreOfWhabylon · 29/08/2016 06:34

Unfortunately can't read without registering Sad

I've been lookng again at the latest spoilers and I think the trial is the week of 4th and the decision re Henwee residency is the following week.

Knob telling H he loves him and then thinking about hs new job inclines me to thnk he has lost - Ian has made a statement or somthing that has swng this - and is rethinking his plans to stay in Ambridge.

Ths makes it likely that Helln has got a custodal sentence but 'Anna is hopeful' re appeal.

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Eastpoint · 29/08/2016 06:54

Copied from the Times. It duplicates at the bottom but I'm on my phone & it's hard to edit.

One of the most eagerly anticipated criminal trials in British legal history finally has a start date as a household name goes into the dock charged with attempted murder.

The defendant is Helen Titchener and the trial, which starts on Sunday and will run for an expected six days, will bring to a climax a storyline on The Archers that has shocked and gripped listeners with its portrayal of domestic abuse.

Producers have promised that the trial will follow the full trajectory of a real court case, examining in harrowing detail the events that led Helen to stab Rob, her abusive husband, in front of their son.

Witnesses will be called for both sides as the prosecution tries to depict Helen as an unstable woman and unfit mother while the defence argues that she was a victim of years of abuse and wanted to protect her child.

Helen not only has her liberty at stake but also the custody of her sons Henry and Jack.

Barristers were consulted to guarantee the accuracy of the court case while Tim Stimpson, a scriptwriter, spent a day at Birmingham crown court sitting in on trials that dealt with wounds similar to the ones that Helen inflicted on Rob.

Stimpson said the trial was a challenge to write because British courts were more “sober and non- confrontational” than those depicted in American courtroom dramas.

The storyline has been brewing for almost three years, charting the transformation of Rob, played by Timothy Watson, into a controlling and violent figure, inflicting psychological and physical abuse on Helen, played by Louiza Patikas.

In an episode in April she finally planned to leave Rob, leading to a confrontation where he placed a knife in his wife’s hands, goading Helen to kill herself and telling her “it’s the only way I am ever letting you go”.

When the couple’s son Henry came into the room, Helen charged at Rob and stabbed him. He nearly died from blood loss but survived, suffering a punctured lung and perforated bowel.

The storyline led to an outpouring of sympathy for Helen’s character, with more than £133,000 donated to Refuge, a charity for victims of domestic abuse. It won praise for highlighting the issue, although some critics deemed it sensationalist.

Helen has spent the intervening period in custody, charged with attempted murder and wounding with intent, which she will deny. Rob has painted a picture of himself as the innocent victim. Helen’s defence will be hampered by her reluctance to share with her lawyer the full extent of the abuse she has suffered and the forensic evidence that shows her fingerprints on the knife — but not that Rob placed it in her hand.

In Ambridge, villagers do not know whose story to believe.

Patikas said: “There are several possible outcomes — it’s not just win or lose. It would be devastating for Helen to be found guilty and sent back to prison, thereby losing both of her children to Rob. But it would be equally terrible to be found not guilty yet still potentially lose custody of Henry and Jack to Rob and have to live in the village watching her children being brought up by him.”

Soaps in court

•Deirdre Barlow of Coronation Street, played by Anne Kirkbride, was sentenced to 18 months for fraud in 1998. The conviction was overturned after a campaign backed by Tony Blair, the prime minister.

•In 1993 Nick Cotton, played by John Altman, was cleared of murdering Eddie Royle, the Queen Vic landlord, although EastEnders viewers knew he was guilty.

•Last year Dot Cotton, played by June Brown, stood trial for the murder of Nick. She refused to call an ambulance after her son took impure heroin. Dot was cleared but jailed for 14 years for manslaughter. of the most eagerly anticipated criminal trials in British legal history finally has a start date as a household name goes into the dock charged with attempted murder.

to stab Rob, her abusive husband, in front of their son.

Witnesses will be called for both sides as the prosecution tries to depict Helen as an unstable woman and unfit mother while the defence argues that she was a victim of years of abuse and wanted to protect her child.

Helen not only has her liberty at stake but also the custody of her sons Henry and Jack.

BoreOfWhabylon · 29/08/2016 07:17

Thank you Eastpoint - from what Hellin actress says and from my reading of the following week's synopsis, I'm now thinkng that she will get off.

The BBC TA site is full of Trial stuff too. In particular a summary of the evdence

And we also don't yet know what Henwee said...

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MrsCampbellBlack · 29/08/2016 07:25

I think she will get off - I think Rob will lose it in the trial - his anger is very close to the surface at the moment.

Gruach · 29/08/2016 07:36

Thank you Eastpoint..

Well, that doesn't make me any more hopeful.

One day in court? Really? So he hasn't sat through a single similar case from start to finish? That is the least I would have expected. If I were editor Mr Stimpson would have had to follow at least four cases all the way through.

And more difficult to write because it's not American? The word "non-confrontational" is strange in this context - British courts are hugely confrontational (how could an adversarial system not be so?) but the drama in a real life court here is obviously more subtle than in any fictional/highly publicised US courtroom. But given that the confrontation is all verbal I'd have thought there was plenty of scope for devastating scriptwriting.

And R4 has just broadcast a trial week trailer ...

Gumpendorf · 29/08/2016 09:51

Thanks Eastpoint. There are stories all over the press this morning, not that SOC will have timed the press coverage to coincide with a slow news Bank Holiday Monday. Wink

I'm glad that SOC is describing the trial as the climax, but intrigued by Louiza's second option which I hadn't considered - that Helen would be released but the children go to Rob, and Helen has to watch them being brought up by him. I'm not sure how this would come about since any successful Helen defence would surely depend on Rob being seen as abusive (even if he isn't charged). But it would fulfil the Tess scenario and keep Tim Watson in TA. Sad

Gruach · 29/08/2016 10:00

Haven't yet seen any other interviews yet but in the Times piece LP carefully avoids referring to the possibility that Helen is "sent dahn" but the boys go to Bridge Farm. Which I think is the outcome most discussed on these threads.

Gumpendorf · 29/08/2016 10:24

Well spotted, Grauch. Louiza specifically mentions losing both children 'to Rob'. I'm beginning to wonder if Helen is convicted of wounding and has a shorter sentence. And there is enough mud thrown at Rob to call his character into question.
Anyhow, I'm away from the middle of next week, so I'm learning how to ignore my '7pm siren' which even works accurately in other time zones.

I've only done a quick scan on google news, but the articles are all based on a BBC/Press Assn release.

fruitstick · 29/08/2016 11:35

Ooh I've just posted similar on t'other thread.

Surely if Helen is sent down and Rob gets the kids then we've all wasted our lives.

Helen going down but Rob also facing charges would be better all round.

Gumpendorf · 29/08/2016 11:43

Telegraph article

includes .... Biscuit

Mr O’Connor, who has recently moved to become executive producer of EastEnders, said: “I can promise both a shocking and deeply moving trial, as we reach the climax of this story that has had the nation gripped.

“Working with charities and legal advisors, we’ve been telling Helen’s story as realistically as possible over hundreds of episodes, in all its detail and horror, and it’s a kind of realism that only radio drama can achieve.

“When I joined as an editor I did wonder, was it possible in the 21st century to create a moment as dramatic and memorable as the death of Grace Archer in 1955? It turns out that you can.”

Gumpendorf · 29/08/2016 11:47

I agree fruitstick