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Rob - dead? No, no, he's, er, resting. He's just pining for the Canadian plains. As Helen is taken into custardy, discuss the Archers here.

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PseudoBadger · 04/04/2016 20:15

24 hours for 1 thread!!

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AugustaFinkNottle · 05/04/2016 19:38

The person she's colluded with is someone who's hated him since day one. She had her bag packed, ready to flee the scene after the stabbing. The way they're presenting it to us now looks very bad for her.

But none of that chimes in with the fact that Kirsty called the police and ambulance. If it was a deliberate plot, surely they'd have made sure that Rob was good and dead, and would have done much, much more to cover their tracks.

I'm sure she's going no comment purely on the solicitor's advice. I suspect the police have to allow the solicitor enough time to talk to her properly, and I can't see any reason why she'd refuse to talk to him.

Vango · 05/04/2016 19:38

Indeed BYOS. I hope all the victims they've been encouraging to tune in and to seek help switched off long before Sunday. I CANNOT imagine the fear that the real, live people they've been talking about must be feeling. Please God the overwhelming media coverage will have passed those people by. To think that they're boosting ratings by sensationalising something that they've already repeatedly told us affects up to 1 in 4 women is shocking. It's an absolute bloody disgrace!

DadDadDad · 05/04/2016 19:39

"Have we so blind, Tony?" Goodness me, excuse me, Pat, while I sweep all these scales that seem have fallen from your eyes, but is that it? Are you able to make such a dizzying change of perspective so quickly? Shouldn't you be sick and speechless and angry?!

Shallishanti · 05/04/2016 19:39

hopefully the solicitor will quickly see that it's a DV situation and the police will cat accordingly

mummytime · 05/04/2016 19:40

The hunt Sab has witnessed violence, as has Jess. Jess has also heard a lot. We don't know if police were called in that marriage - which would show up on a CRB type search.
Lots of people have heard him shout at Helen. Quite a few people have been verbally attacked by him. And this is a woman who is already showing mental health issues.

Gruach · 05/04/2016 19:40

Vango I know I'm repeating myself but I'm certain SOC wants history to be repeated by having Kirsty stand trial with another Bridge Farm Archer sibling. (Though I hope he's been talked out of it.)

I can't forget what he said after Kirsty's scream about how the Tom /Kirsty relationship needed to be properly tested if they were to be the future of Bridge Farm.

ColdTeaAgain · 05/04/2016 19:41

Yes that makes sense, it's hard to judge how much time has passed between scenes sometimes. So presumably he told H to say no comment for as he could see straight away they needed a lot longer to talk about all the build up to this. And yes agree she is still in shock and he would be worried she would start blaming herself in the interview.

Frustrating episode but hopefully things will start to turn around as the evidence gathers.

iisme · 05/04/2016 19:43

I really don't think Kirsty is going to be thought an accomplice - that would be so far fetched. She's got no motive other than protecting Helen, and it would be a crap way to go about protecting Helen - plus the fact that her relationship with h has been difficult is easily verified. But they might (apparently do) suspect her of spinning things to sound better for Helen.

Vango · 05/04/2016 19:44

mummytime the hunt sab had violence perpetrated upon him but everyone else denied it. Jess has recently told us that she too was hit and raped but didn't say whether or not she'd reported it. Lots of people hear husbands/wives shouting at each other but is that enough to justify stabbing? Remember Helen did scream "I'll kill him" only recently. I've said it before and I'll say it again, the sws have a mountain to climb to turn this one around. Bring on dead Stefan, with incriminating evidence. Our only hope unless they are going to dredge up some previously unknown criminality. Which I wouldn't put past the lazy sods.

DadDadDad · 05/04/2016 19:44

By the way, I don't think Shula committed perjury as she never gave any testimony in court. She could now change her evidence, but presumably it could easily be picked apart by a lawyer in court, given what she previously told police. (And police wouldn't be too impressed with Shula, I imagine).

Vango · 05/04/2016 19:47

DadDadDad picky! Okay then, lied to the police

WannaBe · 05/04/2016 19:47

But she stabbed him. Repeatedly and deliberately. The doctor said on last night's episode that whoever had done it meant business.

It couldn't possibly be assumed that she was a victim of DV. She had a half packed bag on the bed, in sight.

Did anyone watch the programme on BBC recently about domestic violence? There they arrested someone for beating up his partner, and he told the police when being interviewed that she had gone to visit a drug dealer and knew nothing about what had happened to her.

They've cocked this up with the stabbing storyline. The police response is spot on but the story shouldn't have been written like this in the first place.

AugustaFinkNottle · 05/04/2016 19:49

It would be quite funny having Shula go to the police with halo ostentatiously in position to tell them the truth about the hunt incident, only for them to ask her why they should believe an admitted liar.

EnglishFern · 05/04/2016 19:49

Ooh just settling down to catch up tonight's episode now....

BertrandRussell · 05/04/2016 19:49

How could anyone be impartial in the circumstances unless they'd been listening to the Archers for 2 years? She looks guilty as hell.

SmallLegsOrSmallEggs · 05/04/2016 19:50

I thought originally they were highlighting dv to
Show people how insidious it is
To help people identify the victims of dv
To help those suffering dv identify what is happening to them (and then to let them know there is help out there and a new offence etc.)

But now I think it is a totally patronising look in

Shockimagine how awful it must be to be a victim of dvShock
Ooh imagine even worse you were the victim and people thought you were the aggressor. Ooh.

Without ever thinking imagine you were a dv survivor listening to TA.

If that makes sense. I think they think they are helping if they make their listeners feel sorry for the poor little dv sufferers. Not thinking that anyone in that situation would be the sort of person to listen to TA.

patronising exploitative cunts

I also think it is a very male attitude to an issue that largely affects women. (Not all men obviously). But this fight violence eith violence attitude.

YesterdayOnceMore · 05/04/2016 19:50

The police have no reason to bring in a dv specialist (yet)- all they have to go on is Kirsty said he slapped Helen once. Whilst that's not good, it doesn't necessarily point to him being abusive.

No idea if the solicitor is right to tell her to say no comment as she is in shock (be interested to know from those who know...), but hopefully the fact she hasn't told them he was abusive and she was protecting Henry and herself doesn't count against her.

Vango · 05/04/2016 19:50

And imagine that evidence (from Shula).....

"You know when I said that Rob hadn't attacked the sab? Well that was a lie. He did actually. I don't know why I lied. I didn't even like him at the time. Oh, actually, now that I think of it, I was afraid of him. Yes, that's it."

"Are you lying now to protect Mrs Titchener, Mrs Hebden-Lloyd?"

"Me, lying? Of course not!"

BYOSnowman · 05/04/2016 19:52

But regardless of what they think happened - should they not proceed with an open mind?

BertrandRussell · 05/04/2016 19:53

TASWAMA.

But obviously they aren't- because all the police officers are women. What more do you feminists want???!!?

Minimammoth · 05/04/2016 19:54

We need Charlie.

SmallLegsOrSmallEggs · 05/04/2016 19:55

bertrand I have been listening to TA for 2 years and I still think she is guiltySad there are times when the victims of dv have no choice. There are times when someone is so scared. But this isn't one of them.

I don't think dramatic tension is a defence.

Yes there are mitigating circumstances that I would take into account in sentencing but she is still guilty of assault.

GrumpyOldBag · 05/04/2016 19:55

It will be interesting when Rob is well enough to be questioned by the police. Wonder if he'll have a solicitor. Probably too arrogant to think he needs one.

Elendon · 05/04/2016 19:56

we all didn't witness went went on between Helen and Rob. We didn't actually see anything, just heard it over the radio.

In response to did you actually see this take place question asked by the officer.

WannaBe · 05/04/2016 19:56

There's no evidence of Rob's abuse. They're married, she's pregnant with his child. She's being seen under a psychiatrist. Possibly the only thing which might count in her favour is that she is perceived to have MH issues.

But if you watched this programme on TV as a documentary, you know, one of these 24 hours in the life of' type programmes and the police brought in a woman who had stabbed her partner repeatedly to the point he was in a critical condition in hospital would people really be saying "I wonder if she was a victim of DV?" If she had no marks on her, there was no evidence of force being used, nothing? You wouldn't would you? People are only saying police are being over harsh because we know the back story. But presented with Helen being brought in having stabbed her partner repeatedly and deliberately people would say she was guilty as hell.

She's going down. And IMO rob will die.