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Badly done Helen, badly done - you're as stuffed as a Grundy turkey. Discuss The Archers here.

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PseudoBadger · 23/10/2015 18:04

New thread in time for Friday's episode...

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R4 · 26/10/2015 19:21

Well that was weird. Why on earth is Adam volunteering to be Charlie's spokesperson?Confused

Abraid2 · 26/10/2015 19:47

Because he is in love with him.

EBearhug · 26/10/2015 19:51

"Now, look! I've called this meeting because you're all being awfully mean to darling Charlie! Look at the poor chap! He's been dead on his feet, no time to eat or sleep since these terrible events have been unfolding. No one could possibly care more about the welfare of his cattle than he has this last week - and before that too, Lynda - Berrow Farm has had an incredibly good record on hygiene until this point, and the botulism is a misfortune which could have happened to any of us with livestock. Charlie is passionate about his work, maintaining the highest standards, and I will not hear a word against him!"

SquirrelledAway · 26/10/2015 19:55

Does Adam feel a bit responsible, given that it could have been contaminated silage from the flooded Home Farm meadows?

RockNRollNerd · 26/10/2015 20:02

Grin at EBear that's spot on!

I'm really worried about Ed and Emma now, the tea shop isn't going to work out is it Sad. The thing is the Rob and Helen story has to have an endgame as I really can't see them playing out a domestic abuse storyline for years and years and years but I can see them just grinding out never-ending misery and set-backs for Ed and Emma forever.

I didn't like the Eddie and Joe bit with Adam, it jarred somewhat and felt very 'oh we have to have the Grundys as rude yokels against Charlie'.

Gruach · 26/10/2015 20:14

In a sense I thought there was a nice contrast between Charlie, bemoaning the possible loss of a recently acquired position utilising land and animals he has no reason to care about beyond their financial value and the Grundys, facing the loss of land that's been in their blood for three generations, having already lost cows time and time again. If they had to vent their sorrow on anyone it was most fitting that it should be a landless, perturbing incomer.

R4 · 26/10/2015 20:14

Eddie and Joe were in their cups. They refrained from having a go at Ed so Charlie was the stand-in for their anger/frustration instead.

RockNRollNerd · 26/10/2015 20:16

Oh yes, I get the contrast bit - that's a reasonable device to want to draw, it was just 'badly done scriptwriters, badly done' - it sounded to me as if they barrelled into the bar, saw Charlie and just let rip which didn't fit the flow of how they'd been earlier on. Eddie had been sad but pragmatic and Charlie hadn't really come up in the conversation with Ed as a cause of it all and then they just targetted him out of the blue.

R4 · 26/10/2015 20:17

facing the loss of land that's been in their blood for three generations

Do you mean "centuries"? Wink slaps own wrist for making fun of the Grundys

Abraid2 · 26/10/2015 20:17

I got à feeling that he does actually care about the cows more than just as units of production. He seemed quite distressed about them suffering.

RockNRollNerd · 26/10/2015 20:19

Fucks sake - I meant either device to use or parallel to draw. The only drawing device I've ever seen was a Spirograph, oh and that wierd thing that looked like meccano and let you copy pictures...

Gruach · 26/10/2015 20:20

True, but Eddie and Joe wouldn't know that. And Joe is a great one for seeing the mythical in everything - so Charlie and the mega-dairy probably gave him the creeps even before pestilence arrived in the village on his watch.

SmallLegsOrSmallEggs · 26/10/2015 20:39

I still.kerp.hoping Adam will realise Ed is the one for his cow venture.

TopazRocks · 26/10/2015 20:42

JuniorMint, I like to think Fallon talking to Emma has sown the seeds. But these things can take ages. After Knob shafts them over the tea shop, they MUST have another talk - and include others. I was jsut sitting thinking about a friend and her abusive ex - it took years from when she decided she should leave him, before she had the impetus to leave/chuck him out. Even before he began hitting her, she knew it was wrong for years (5 at least) - it took him hitting a child (witnessed by someone else's child who went home and told HER mother) before she went to Women's Aid. I think various friends were scared to approach her with their concerns. I know from amutual friend the black eye was discussed in the playground (my children not at that school)but not with her. My DH met her on the bus, saw the eye, told me, I invited her for coffee (before mobiles, I didn't want to speak on her phone at home), asked her about it, made it clear we, DH and I, were on side, she could phone us ANY time. It was still a year before she left. Not sure how it plays out legally, but, here in Scotland she left the house, took the children to a WA hostel, then an exclusion order was slapped on him, so mother and DC moved back to family home. It was rahter delicious, when visiting, to see him standing outside waiting in all weather when collecting the children for contact visits!

Right, SWs, there'sa bit of script for you.

I must say i am sad about the Grundy developments. I think Eddy and Joe must be gutted over Grange Farm - again. I feel sorry for Charlie too but Imust say I am hugely relieved Friday did not drift into Sunday and we never did find out what happened chez Adam and Ian.

GruntledOne · 26/10/2015 21:34

With any luck Adam will accept the Fairbros' idea about buying the cattle himself but getting someone in to manage them, but will decide to go for someone who actually knows what he's doing. Surely it's a job with Ed's name on.

mummytime · 26/10/2015 21:42

I really hope that the Fairbrethern come totally (maybe even comically) unstuck when Adam interrogates them over their "business plan". It would be nice if we gain some idea of what did happen in "Brighton".

SevenOhTwo · 26/10/2015 22:46

I am with you all on the hoping for the Fairbrothers' undoing, and Ed installed on Adam's share farming thingo. Surely Adam would be an idiot to trust their CVs, business plans, whatever, when all the evidence shows they are barely managing to scrape a living from a handful of geese and are complete amateurs. Wouldn't he just think round who he knew in the area who he knew worked with cattle and who he could trust? But I fear the way the story is going they are just trying to get TRex ensconced to pile on more annoyingness.

SmallLegsOrSmallEggs · 27/10/2015 01:02

The onky thing about the Ed Adam thing is it is Hone farm not Grange farm. And I thought his cows were on the land her rents from the estate. So he has that bit of land sitting. Surely there must be something could go on it that would make money.

Joskar · 27/10/2015 07:22

It will be totally unbelievable if Adam lets the bros pasture the cows. David has said they're at it and Adam himself can see they are not up to much. I just don't think an experienced farmer like him would be fooled by a business plan. Ed couldn't do a business plan but he could easily manage the cows. Do the right thing, Adam! No more sympathy for Charlie! Ed Grundy needs some happiness!

Toomuchtea · 27/10/2015 09:31

I am so depressed at the endless bashing of Ed's hopes. It does I suppose mean that Ed and Emma's relationship can be contrasted with Rob and Helen's, but it is awful. It's like kicking a puppy.

BYOSnowman · 27/10/2015 10:01

The problem with the ed kicking is that it is lazy sw because we all know he is their kicking boy. I feel a bit bored by another 'ed hits the rocks, sinks to the bottom but manages to claw himself up again' sl. They've just got into a rot of giving him a good news sl swiftly followed by a terrible one.

I also find they are being a lot snobbier to the grundys than usual

Will this end with Caroline and Oliver dying in a boating accident on lake como and the house being left to ed and the hotel to will

BitOutOfPractice · 27/10/2015 11:35

I'm pizzled as to why the Grundys are almost blaming Charlie for Ed's cow theft.

BitOutOfPractice · 27/10/2015 11:38

I'm not pizzled. What with the sun not yet over the yard arm. Puzzled. I'm puzzled

R4 · 27/10/2015 11:45

The Grundys used to be tenants at Grange Farm until their hopeless mismanagement evil landlords caused them to be evicted.
Charlie works for Berrow which is part of said Estate.
So everything is Charlie's fault.
QED

ppeatfruit · 27/10/2015 11:47

But they'd got pissed to drown their troubles and were spoiling for a fight so the mega dairy manager was a great target.