Badly done Helen, badly done - you're as stuffed as a Grundy turkey. Discuss The Archers here.

[PseudoBadger]

New thread in time for Friday's episode...

Yes, Helen did say that to Pat. She and Tony were very alarmed and buttoned up any further criticism.

Thanks enochroot I wasn't sure if I'd imagined it. Yes it was very recently he said about the dress I found that very disturbing, but Hellin seemed quite happy about it at the time.

I find the Rob/Helen storyline quite difficult to listen to, it's so similar to a real life situation I had with a friend.

So many people saw through him but nobody did anything. I tried and was made out to be jealous of their relationship. He would then get people on side against my friend. Very scary, luckily she is well away from him now.

I moan about the Archers but I think they have written this character perfectly.

I can't wait for Rob to get his comeuppance.

Daddaddad are you a woman?

Yes, I think it's realistic to some extent that Pat wouldn't argue with Rob outright. I think she would go home and mutter to Tony, and I don't think she would be so effusive about the adoption and new baby, but it's believable that she's just decided that H seems happy and therefore she should try to accept him and make the best of the situation for Helen's sake.

Rob's dysfunctional personality might trace back to his childhood yet we only know what he's chosen to reveal which might very well be untrue. After all, he had a happy enough holiday in the IOWight to want to be married there so was his childhood so very bad?

He has failed at his first marriage, has apparently failed at his chosen career in that he has very little in assets to bring to Ambridge & has failed to impress in his last 'position'.
He sneers at villagers such as the Grundies and feels superior because of his education and background yet these have benefited him not at all in material terms. He seems to have no friends of his own and as huntmaster has no horse of his own.
Wouldn't a well-educated man in his 40s have more to call his own without having to rely on a 'dowry'?

We need to know more about his early life. Cue Ursula.......

Rob grrrrr

I think Rob has been in prison ,either here or in Canada hence his lack of assets. We never did find out what the scar on his arm was all about.

oooh good idea

daddaddad are you a woman? well, of all the things to be accused of on MN!

For the record, I am male, my username is not an elaborate ruse.

But what prompted the question?

I thought your analysis of what could be going on re Pat with Helen to be very femininely intuitive. It was a compliment Dad3.

I've just been having fun reading the Forever Living threads. I thought this quote from one of the posters is very key to a certain BDH...

"In more simple terms, once you've fooled a person who prefers to believe that he/she cannot be fooled, self-evidently, it is then very difficult (if not impossible) for that person to face the truth (even when it is staring him/her in the face).

Such persons make perfect targets for con-artists and cults"

Pitbull who disappeared in Texas floods found 2000 miles away

Still hope for scruff??

My intuition* was that what you were trying to imply. It's more a compliment to you lot, that I've learnt to focus on these subtleties.

*does intuition need to be feminine to be able to comprehend emotional dynamics?

more cause for hope

That's it in a nutshell I think Pseudo.

Still not entirely clear where the whole Berrow Farm botulism thing is going. I'm hoping that as the botulism was caused by the floods (if indeed it was a drowned Scruff who found his way into the silage) then Charlie will renew his efforts to pin the culvert blocking on Knob. Not only did Charlie nearly die in the flood but it looks like he might also be out of a job - carrying the can for the botulism. Surely he has to redouble his efforts now to find Stephan and also confide to Adam how Knob tried to blackmail him. Come on SOC - tie up the loose ends.

Erm...wasn't it a bit odd that Charlie wasn't at that meeting??

Do we know he wasn't? The budget was clearly very stretched. They did the classic thing of constantly mentioning Alistair to fool us into thinking he was in the episode, but we didn't hear him once!

Charlie was probably 'there' in the same way.

Mmm ... I do wonder which famous person's diamond encrusted body stocking will be revealed to have swallowed up last night's budget

Was good to hear that Shula still lives though.

Do you have someone in mind Gruach?

None at all!

Didn't Lynda make a big fuss about the fact that Charlie wasn't there? I don't recall Adam and Brine saying why - but I suspect that with a farm full of cows with botulism he had his hands full and reasonably felt it could be left to them and Alastair.

So bonfire night is about to go with a bang then.

Is Henry going to steal a sparkler and damage himself?