The Archers - It's Full Of Pants! Listeners are allegedly leaving in droves. Will Peggy also FOHMC?

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She's got a whole calendar to use!

I have double posted again. Apologies for absent mindedness/failure to check.

Do we assume that Adam & Charlie DTD?

I think that they did, or, if they didn't, Adam really wanted to. I foresee him spiralling into a jealous and bitter mess, alienating poor silent Ian.

"The Patek Philippe Episode."...

TOLD YA! TOLD YA! TOLD YA!

More for me!

Oh. I may have told the other thread ...

(About the advice given to Emma and what she does with it.)

oh no I thought stir-up Sunday was next weekend.

what? what? Adam and Charlie??? DTD??? when was this- I thought I'd been paying attention

Nearly caught up on thread! I don't like Eleanor Bron character either (Carol?)I thought they used " Christine on the phone & then Christine asleep" as a plot device so that they could gossip & Carol could intimidate Jenny, rather than just be playing Bridge & talking about that,how boring would that be?
Haha to Dad^3 being in the BMJ when we're considering medicine as our specialist occupation this week. (Not haha of course for your medical condition Dad )

Anyone else getting irritated at D and R concluding that there was no way of preventing Justin from getting his evil way? Surely even they can work out that there's one sure fire method, namely keeping Brookfield off the market altogether?

Yes icimoi , I am!!! As a long time listener am really not buying the fact they are seemingly going all starry eyed at the prospect of making millions for the next generation ( who are still uncannily silent and compliant with all of this).... D and R haves loved and farmed Brookfield with a lifelong passion, it is unbelievable that they would give up so readily without more of a concerted fight

Really hope it works for Ed and Emmur it is about time they had some luck...

Just came across this on one of the Archers FB pages

It's a full episode from about 40 years ago with the original Carol plus Jack Woolley, Dan, Doris & Nora, Phil, Neil, Shula, Tom Forrest (I think) & a very young Tony

\link{m.youtube.com/watch?feature=share&v=7107-Eex2BY\it's really sweet & nostalgic}

I'd forgotten how they used to fade scenes out. It's proper Archers, just gentle absorbing jogging along stuff & Neil & Shula sound just like now (but younger, obv)

Desperate to know what Nora's awful news was though

Marking place to watch that later

theOne that was marvellous, thank you so much for the link! How interesting to hear Original Carol - terribly posh - Eleanor Bron seems to have captured her very well actually.

Great to hear the same Neil and Shula with their high pitched youthful voices - God Shula was smug and patronising even then wasn't she? "I must give him a bun and a pat on the head" indeed!

Also fascinatingly topical to hear Phil musing about selling up Brookfield.

I presume Nora was pregnant - who was she?

Of course David & Ruth could just sell Brookfield to Brian & family. Yes they'd be down some money (if Justin Elliott actually paid up the full amount) but they would receive a fair market price which they were originally happy with & know that the land would be well cared for. Greedy pair.

But, Eastpoint, they suspect that if they sell to anyone else, That Horrible Man (imagine Jill's coy diction) will find a way of getting hold of it anyway.

Nora dates from before my time as a listener, but I do vaguely recall hearing her on the omnibus in my early childhood, when it would be burbling away in the background on Sunday morning as we had breakfast/washed up.

According to The Archers Encyclopedia and The Book of The Archers, she was Nora McAuley originally and came from Northern Ireland to marry her fiance, Paddy Redmond, a farmworker, but he moved away, leaving Nora behind in Ambridge. The listeners all knew that Paddy was Adam's father, but I'm not sure anybody in Ambridge except Jennifer knows that - did she ever tell Adam? Can't remember. Interestingly [yes, I do lead a quiet life], TAE says that Nora spotted baby Adam's likeness to Paddy immediately (red hair) but said nothing.

She worked at Grey Gables and married a local dairyman, Greg Salt, but the marriage didn't last long. She then moved to The Bull and caused a scandal by living with George Barford without getting married! In Ambridge! It didn't work out, though, and she left the village to work in the legendary canning factory (prop: Sir Jack and Lady Mercedes Goodman), thus freeing George up to marry Christine. Last heard of in the late 70s living in Borchester.

Off to listen to the vintage episode now! What a treat.

It was indeed a treat! Amazing to hear several familiar voices playing the same parts from 40 years ago. Sean O'Connor, please note!

Anyway, Nora's awful news would be that she was pregnant. She had left George but then found she was pregnant. He had been separated from his wife for some years but couldn't get a divorce because his wife was a Catholic and refused to agree to it. According to my holy books my Archers reference books, in true Ambridge style Nora didn't tell George but the rest of the village worked it out and George found out. There was a reconciliation but sadly she had a miscarriage.

I don't think I'd ever heard the original Carol before. I must say it makes some sense of casting Eleanor Bron. How wooden that dialogue was!

Best of all was hearing Dan, Doris and Tom Forrest. That took me right back. I'd have loved to hear Aunt Laura too.

Thanks for posting that linktheone, really enjoyed listening to all the youthful voices and all the chat - David still at school, Phil in awe of Ralph who must be 'almost a millionaire',a very eager and lovely Neil, great stuff. I guess it only emphasises how important continuity, good writing and the power of the voice are, not chopping and changing voices and disregarding a character's 'core' - seems Shula has never changed!!

Brilliant, thanks for the potted Nora history. I rather liked the sound of her, maybe she could come back, having reconciled with Paddy, and be Adam's ageing stepmother. I am not sure if Adam knows who his father is, but I didn't realise tillnow that Paddy was NORTHERN Irish- if Adam doesn't know then clearly somewhere deep down he had an affinity to Ulster. Did we never hear him tell Ian about his parentage? He doesn't seem the type to have never asked and I'd have thought Jenny would have long got over the shameand wouldn't mind telling.

So it will go one of two ways

The dopeys don't sell, we go back to the status quo with half the listenership pissed off that they wasted a large chunk of their life on such a crap storyline

Or

They surprise us all by going ahead leaving us with an ongoing them and us battle with Justin as the pantomime villain. Original.

The nice think about the archers is tht the characters are generally well rounded with good and bad in them. Having a purely bad character is more eastenders surely

Don't give soc any ideas! He will have Ian and Adam splitting because they've found out they're related

DadDadDad I've missed that - what was this about you being in BMJ?
I've had visitors this weekend so have missed NewPip grr. Just waiting till my colleague heads out so I can Listen Again

Re Paddy Redmond. It is entirely possible that I imagined this but I thought there was a story many years ago when he came back to Ambridge for a visit, worried Jennifer and tried to make some sort of contact with Adam - who brushed him off.

I cannot recall whether it was before or after Adam set off for his gap decade...

Did anyone else "imagine" this?

puggle - I was actually part of a case presented in the British Journal of Dermatology (I think that's its title). I don't suffer from anything, but it appears I have something genetically unusual that I got from my father and passed to my son, which came to light when the latter was born, and was of great excitement to the dermatologists. (I'm being vague to avoid giving away too much personal information).

Why, in all my years of listening, have I never heard a storyline referring to Adam's father?