They don't let any old Tom, Dick or Henry live in Ambridge - The Archers chat continues

[PseudoBadger]

Hello you two :o

IMO Peggy has always idolised Tony as her eldest\only son and Tom as Tony's eldest son IFYSWIM. She's stuck in the patriachal past. My DM is a bit like this but fights her instincts

I don't get the constant referrals to Piggoi as some kind of Alan Sugar figure, a businesswoman par excellence. I know that she ran The Bull when the kids were small and that her husband was an alcoholic, but that hardly makes her contender for the Businesswoman Of The Year.

Plenty of women do what she did - and didn't she just manage to marry into money?

I thought the Tony car scene was really well written and acted. An insight into a side of Tony we don't usually see.

I've never really noticed a particular relationship between Peggy and Tony, I don't really remember many scenes or storylines with them both in. She has always seemed closer to Jenny imo.

Think the new Tony is doing really well, I couldn't imagine not hearing the old one but he (new one ) is v good.

She was also General Manager or similar at Grey Gables when Jack ran it. That was after she handed the Bull over to Sid to manage, but she still owned it. She may also have worked in the Estate Office when Lilian owned it, or am I imagining that?

I agree, WhatSheSaid, it was a very good scene and David Troughton is doing well.

She's been very involved in the Sausage Empire both emotionally and financially for a long time.

I like the fact that new Tony doesn't sound like he's trying to reproduce old Tony's voice as that would just sound like a bad caricature . He's got the general tone and Eeyore-ishness really well I think.

And I know new Clarrie is actually old old Clarrie but my ear is still struggling to adjust!

New editor said on R4 (Today? PM?) that when Colin Skipp said he couldn't carry on the decision was taken to re-cast because Tony is so central, and he looked for somebody who could do the character rather than a close voice match. Right call, I'd say.

Not so sure about New Clarrie, even though she is actually Really Old Clarrie. Old Clarrie did it for so long.

Londonmother Piggoi has done no more business-mogul-type work than I have then and I'm not rolling in it

Curlew isn't her involvement with Sausages R Us just to the extent of approving tom's plans and giving him money when he asks for it?

Maybe she sees a bit of get up & go in Tom and likes that. I think Tony has been led by Pat, she has usually been the driving force behind change at Bridge Farm. I am another listener who grew up with it, especially as it followed Listen with Mother at lunchtime.

Ooh East yyy! "Are you sitting comfortably?"

"Listen With Mother" - one of my most piercingly lovely memories of childhood. Just the thought of it make me want to cry with longing for those days.

I'm sure Woman's Hour followed Listen with Mother when I was that age

Maybe they changed it later.

My parents didn't listen to the Archers as far as I can remember. Mrs Dale's Diary, yes ("I'm terribly worried about Jim" ) but not the Archers

Me too Zero - I remember my mum and I would sit together to listen to it, she'd have a coffee and I had Ribena in a mug. I was probably about the age my DD is now

It's the Sausage Baron who keeps referring to Piggoi's business mogul credentials, isn't it? I don't really understand it either - she ran a pub, and then had the exceptional good sense to marry a rich man. I suppose you could say that she's obviously supposed to be "good with money" - she managed to avoid frittering all Jack's self-made wealth away on silver-plated pheasants and bronze bull terriers - but that's not the same as being an entrepreneur.
Brine and Tiger are great together, aren't they? The SWs really surprised me with the Piggoi-fortune-disbursement episode - I thought it was going to be a comedy epi with the family bitching about Jack's appallingly vulgar taste and finding increasingly convoluted ways of taking home the pheasants, bull terriers and framed photographs. And then it turned into exactly what TA does best - vicious internecine strife over resources.

PS. Really love "Easy Sausage"! Presumably the packaging is orange?
PPS. Not sure it's altogether kind to refer to OliviaMN as "the mega-dairy" even if she is BFing twins ...

curlew is correct about Peggy's involvement with sausage empire she's a real capitalist is our Peggy oh and a nepotist.

Oh yes MissMilliment,Zero, and theOne I heard the beautiful theme tune on French Classique radio recently and couldn't help crying! I'm trying to remember it's name.

Sorry 'its'

I looked up Listen with Mother on wiki a bit ago, ppeat - hang on

It's a lullaby (I think that's hoe Berceuse translates? cradle song?)

'The theme music, which became synonymous with the programme, was the Berceuse from Gabriel Fauré's Dolly Suite for piano duet, Op. 56. It was recorded for the programme by Eileen Browne and Roger Fiske, though Julia Lang in an Anglia Television interview in the 1990s said that during her tenure, when she finished reading the story she had to get up (noiselessly), rush across to the piano in the studio and play the Berceuse live.'

(love the last bit )

\link{http://www.televisiontunes.com/Listen_With_Mother.html\oh - this has the dings at the start and "are you sitting comfortably"}

Thank you

my mum used to tape the archers because it was always at our bed time (there were four of us) so she could listen to it later in peace. she put a tape recorder next to the radio

it was always 'dum de dum de dum de dum' as she put the tape recorder on

then we had to hurry up and get out quietly so it didn't record our noise over the top

WillieWaggledagger thank you for that mental picture!
I remember taping things!

Comp tapes of love songs etc listening to my walkman

I can't bear Tom or Peggy or any of them really.
I think the women are so shrill and irritating.
I guess I quite like Debbie, fabulous actress too.
I love Matt, I think he acts the rest of them off the scale.
Brian, too, is very good and he tends to be well written.
All the women are so irritating! All the ticks they have that remind me of the blonde one who went to the Office and Hollywood.
The women all seem to have to represent a position, hand wringing do-gooder, shrill gossip, AmDram busybody, Querolous biddy all vulnerable and cake making, Strumpet, Harpy.
But the men seem more rounded. Matt's the best by far, real actor.
(gets off soap box)

Interesting MrsJB...

I often wonder why I've continued to listen to TA (since Listen With Mother!) when I spend so much time complaining about it.

But in response to your post I'm delighted to find that actually I like and care about and want the best for pretty much every single character (except perhaps Clive and the occasional visiting villain.) I am inexpressibly pleased to discover this.

And I do think you're wrong about the women. Any of them - Shula, Susan, Lynda, Jill - could have been identified by several of your labels at some time over the last... 20 / 30 / 40 years. Jennifer has been all of those things....