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They're not plucky Tuckers, they're turkey pluckers' sons - Archers festive chat

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PseudoBadger · 06/12/2013 10:06

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TheSparklyPussycat · 03/01/2014 22:42

Was Grey Gables once the Lawson-Hope's place I wonder? Where is the Dower House near? I suppose I could look at a map, IIRC there isn't a consistent one, or perhaps they've remedied that now.

SomewhereBeyondTheSea · 03/01/2014 22:50

Thanks for all the info - and thanks for the link LondonMother - I'll peruse at leisure next time I'm listening to the omnibus.

MrsCampbellBlack · 04/01/2014 09:04

God how irresponsible is Jill with the driving - honestly if she was anyoen but her the knives would be out for her.

TheOneWithTheNicestSmile · 04/01/2014 09:23

I predicted that she would drive and hurt somebody ages ago!

But I hoped she would kill Darrell

TheOneWithTheNicestSmile · 04/01/2014 09:30

LM's link has

'The Dower House - fine home for previous owners of the Berrow Estate'

I've never heard of the Berrow estate Confused

Redcliff · 04/01/2014 12:55

Thanks for all the links - all the houses look just like they do in my mind. Jess has to come back just to have a weep on Jenny's shoulder .

TheSparklyPussycat · 04/01/2014 15:10

Those pics are delightful :)

SomewhereBeyondTheSea · 05/01/2014 11:49

I just got really confused about how Peggy's kids are called Archers but her husband was a Woolley. Until I worked out that she married two men who were both called Jack. Doh!

LondonMother · 05/01/2014 17:10

They've got form for that, Somewhere. Back in the mists of time, Peggy's mum was also a regular character. (I dimly recall hearing her when I was a child and we always had the omnibus on in the background when we were having breakfast on Sundays.) She was a widow from the East End (BBC tidied up version, that is) and her name was Perkins. I've no idea what her first name was, as shewas always addressed as Mrs Perkins or, more often, Mrs P. According to The Archers Encyclopaedia, the SWs at one point (I think this was the 50s or 60s) had the bright idea of getting her to marry again. However, it seems it must have been unthinkable for her to be anything other than Mrs P, so her second husband was also called Perkins.

Actually, having got TAE and The Book of The Archers off the shelf, I can add to that, and the bit about the big houses of Ambridge.

  1. Mrs P was called Polly Perkins. (Odd that they decided to call Sid Perks' first wife Polly Perks, but I suppose there wasn't much chance of confusion given that nobody ever called Mrs P Polly.) She didn't die until 1991, which is why I remember her so vividly, as I started listening properly about 10 years before that.
  1. Houses: these seem to spring into existence on the whim of the SWs, and when their owners move on the house often seems to become invisible again. I can only assume that in the old days before the rich had to pay tax Ambridge was like an Agatha Christie village, full of wealthy people in big houses.

(a) Dower House - home to Ralph and Lilian Bellamy in the 70s before they went into tax exile on Guernsey. Assorted tenants followed. When Lilian sold the estate, Cameron Fraser bought the Dower House. Guy Pemberton owned it next.

(b) Ambridge Hall - used to be the doctor's house in Victorian times. 'Aunt Laura' Archer (Dan's sister-in-law) lived there in the 70s with her friend, Colonel Danby (played by Ballard Berkeley who was the Major in Fawlty Towers). He should have inherited it, but there was an irregularity with the will. Now belongs to the Snells.

(c) Arkwright Hall - 17th century building. Now owned by the Landmark Trust. Has been used as a community centre and field studies centre. In recent years, hardly mentioned at all. No idea who originally lived there.

(d) Manor Court - 18th century house formerly inhabited by John and Carol Tregorran, who were central characters. Jennifer had, or possibly came close to having, an affair with John. Since they left, I don't think it's ever been mentioned. This is odd as it appears to be in the centre of the village and must have had huge grounds. There was a vineyard there.

(e) Manor House - ancestral home of the Lawson-Hopes, squires of Ambridge. TAE says it is well outside Ambridge. Sold by the family in 1955 when they left Ambridge. Carol Tregorran lived there during her first marriage. Nobody ever mentions the house now.

(f) Grey Gables - 19th century building. Run as a country club since the 1940s at least. Don't know what it was originally.

(g) Lower Loxley (Hall) - never mentioned until Nigel Pargetter arrived as a character. Of course, it isn't in Ambridge itself. It's a few miles away on the outskirts of Loxley Barratt, where the school is.

(h) Vicarage. There's an old Vicarage, long ago sold off (owners are never mentioned). Then there's a 4-bedroom house/bungalow built in its grounds to replace it. This became the doctor's surgery in Richard Locke's day. It must be an odd house as in Gerry Buckle's time as vicar it had a first floor but later it didn't. I can't remember if this is the current vicarage or not.

ppeatfruit · 05/01/2014 17:42

Well done LM !! I hope the SWs read this and realise that they've got quite a bit of property to play with ;on second thoughts perhaps a homeless hostel in Ambridge wouldn't attract (or keep)! the correct types in the village.

LondonMother · 05/01/2014 17:45

Don't give them ideas, ppeat!

Yes, lots of property. I didn't even mention any of the farmhouses.

ppeatfruit · 05/01/2014 17:50

It does make you wonder what the SWs actually DO Grin they must have to research the records and maps. lists etc. Is it all online? IMO there's some ridiculous penny pinching going on. It does annoy me Angry when they pay their 'stars' huge amounts.

LondonMother · 05/01/2014 17:53

On the old Archers MB on the BBC website, we were always given the impression that they paid the actors a pittance. Many of the regulars do this as a sideline to a real job, e.g. Robert Snell (GP), Susan Carter (research psychologist). That's partly because they don't get all that many recordings a year but I think it also has to do with the rate they're paid. I'm sure Tamsin Greig keeps on her part as Debbie out of sentimental attachment. It can't pay her to do it nowadays.

ErrolTheDragon · 05/01/2014 18:27

Susan Carter's (alter ego is) a research psychologist? That explains a lot - she's experimenting on us somehow, isn't she? Longitudinal study into attachment to fictional characters. Grin

ErrolTheDragon · 05/01/2014 18:28

The vicar wrote the music for a play I saw not so long ago.

NorthernLurker · 05/01/2014 18:31

When did we last hear Usha or Ian? Or Elizabeth come to that. I note she's been silent so far on the anniversary of SATTC aka her hubby heading headfirst on to the ancient paving slabs.

ErrolTheDragon · 05/01/2014 18:37

Yes, and there didn't seem to be the usual Deck the Halls palaver.

I think it's quite clever how they manage with a small subset of the characters at a time - for instance having the anniversary bash at Lower Loxley so that Elizabeth was implicitly around. You couldn't really have too many actors in place for a couple of minutes each.

NorthernLurker · 05/01/2014 18:42

It IS clever. It's also dead cunning how they drop in topical inserts dependant on who's around. For example after Diana died I believe you just heard Jill praying for William and Harry? I didn't hear that myself (was three weeks away from my wedding!) but I think that's what happened. Very moving and only needed one actor!

ErrolTheDragon · 05/01/2014 18:48

Yes, I think they've done something like that on a few occasions.

As has already been mentioned, very surprising that there's not been much mention of the weather in the last month or so.

BoreOfWhabylon · 05/01/2014 19:17

Rob is lying. He is lying like a low-down lying thing!

Oooh, can't wait for this to play out! Grin

SomewhereBeyondTheSea · 05/01/2014 19:17

Thanks for the info, LondonMother! Presumably they just tend to pick names that are popular at the time. On that basis, I predict at least 3 Keiras in the decades to come.

It must be quite intimidating for new scriptwriters, given that some of the audience have far better knowledge of the village history than they do Grin

Those pics of Ambridge houses made me realise that actually, it's rather like my parents' village. Those who've been there 40+ years have this vast repository of interpersonal history, and then there's the majority of the village residents, who are random commuter types and have absolutely no idea all this is going on right underneath their noses (and probably couldn't care less).

NorthernLurker · 05/01/2014 20:04

So what do we think - Rob hasn't mentioned Helen to Jess at all obviously. When Auntie Jennifer hears about the niece and the shagfest she will of course ring (she has a mobile number for Jess and of course that will never have occurred to Rob) to commiserate with her (Jenny knows a lot about adultery - from both sides) and Jess will then return to Ambridge to confront the ex who doubtless said there was nobody else he just didn't want to be married anymore.....
Then I predict Helen will forgive the lying git, marry him, sprog up again and THEN he'll show his truly unpleasant colours and we'll all have a miserable time listening - probably around Christmas 2016....?

SomewhereBeyondTheSea · 05/01/2014 20:11

Jennifer sounds as though she was a bit of a goer in her youth - but I'm finding it hard to envisage that tbh. How did she get from there to here?

Impomea · 05/01/2014 20:30

Agree Northern -Jennifer is def an adultery expert Grin

I've missed a bit recently what did Will and Nic call their new dc?

Bluestocking · 05/01/2014 20:35

Will and Nic's baby is Poppy Joser-phine, after her great-grandfather.
Jennydarling will, I'm sure, feel very sympathetic to poor old Jess, having been cheated on repeatedly by caddish Brine. It would be great if the plot unfolded as NorthernLurker suggests but I'm not sure the SWs are up to something as modern and complicated as the adulterer not realising that his new fancy piece's aunt has the adulteree's mobile phone number!