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Mansion Tax at £1.5m - what will this mean?

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MaureenOHara · 20/09/2026 09:27

Does anyone have any idea what this might mean for an individual and what it might do to the market. What happened to the £2m market and will that be replicated or is it different?

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bingobangs · 20/09/2026 21:33

BermudaRhombus · 20/09/2026 21:24

It won’t be fixed immediately, but getting Labour out is absolutely a prerequisite to starting a recovery.

I don’t think any party is capable of starting a recovery because they electorate won’t vote for a party that takes the necessary steps.

Schlossadler · 20/09/2026 21:33

bingobangs · 20/09/2026 21:32

Why do I need to trawl through the thread and list names? There is more than one poster on this thread who doesn’t understand the demographics and the knock on effect of that on welfare spending.

You named me, quickly, but can’t name even one more?

BermudaRhombus · 20/09/2026 21:34

TheSilverTeapot · 20/09/2026 21:26

Who would you like to replace Labour? As pp said, Tories are in disarray. Reform and Greens are not up to it.

We need an election so that the parties can come forward with their manifestos. The current government are rudderless and adrift with not a single decent policy. We can’t have another three years of this

bingobangs · 20/09/2026 21:36

Schlossadler · 20/09/2026 21:33

Sorry, what is ‘technically true’?

You contradicted @bingobangs assertion, correctly.

We are still waiting for you to prove that the majority have contributed.

When I said the majority haven’t contributed I wasn’t just referring to the state pension…

bingobangs · 20/09/2026 21:37

Schlossadler · 20/09/2026 21:33

You named me, quickly, but can’t name even one more?

Any you are clearly upset by that! 😆

bingobangs · 20/09/2026 21:37

Schlossadler · 20/09/2026 21:33

You named me, quickly, but can’t name even one more?

Any you are clearly upset by that! 😆

ThisOldThang · 20/09/2026 21:38

Attenboroughsmistress · 20/09/2026 21:27

A tax on the unimproved value of land to replace stamp duty is a MUCH better idea (especially if they offer credits for anyone who has paid stamp duty in last 10 years). By taxing unimproved value of land you encourage developers to either develop or sell and you don’t distort a market because there is a fixed amount of land and it can’t shrink in response to a tax.

By taxing UNIMPROVED value (rather than just a tax on the property value) you don’t disincentivise people making improvements to their home, which is obviously also great.

I am in despair that a government can’t just do something sensible like this.

If labour introduces something so stupid as a property value tax down to 1.5 mil I will be politically homeless as the Tories have been bought out by big oil and are no longer sensible on climate science.

How would a land tax work though? You're not allowed to build in your gardens, do they're effectively worthless. Would it be based upon the theoretical maximum sized home that you could build on the land? What it would be worth if planning laws didn't exist and you built a 20 storey block of flats on the land?

BigMommasHouse · 20/09/2026 21:38

It is silly that this tax isn’t about actual mansions, ie the largest and most costly top tier of the housing stock in each area, and then on a sliding scale down to an arbitrary cut off point of value.

I own an actual 17th century mansion in Wales that has great tracts of land, a ruined west wing, 6 bedrooms, stable block, walled garden, staff cottage and great hall. It has no heating, Victorian plumbing, leaky roof and several ghosts. Valued at 250k. Council tax £200 a month

LifeOnEnceladus · 20/09/2026 21:40

Mouldemort · 20/09/2026 21:09

@LifeOnEnceladus it's £800m into central government spending, not a massive wealth transfer!

It's not a zero-sum game where if the North has growth, the South doesn't, Tax as a % of GDP is not high by international standards, benefits are about the same as they were in 1999.

Labour's entire schtick is to generate economic growth, and the best way the government can ensure this happens is well funded public services, quality education, a good health service, fair and rapid justice, infrastructure investment and nobody on the bread line.

On top of the huge wealth transfers already happening which have already pushed us well beyond the peak point of the laffer curve; in fact that had happened before the 2014 election, as the independent economic studies with large scale data provided to Hunt and subsequently to Reeves by reputable economic institutions and reported even in the likes of the Guardian per the link I posted earlier in the thread.

Your point that these delusionists are forecasting that it will “raise only £800m” is presient, but not for the reasons you seem to think. The assumption it will “raise” this much is not taking into account the behavioural changes that will occur, the reduction in spending that will result, the businesses (particularly tradesmen) that will suffer as a result, and the enormous cost to the Government of fighting very expensive legal battles about this which it is not clear they can evidence without fundamentally changing the way the UK legal system functions and the burden of proof or violating the very structural basis of our laws and property rights going back over 800 years to Magna Carta, which underpin the entirety of the UK economic system and economic stability and the remaining desperately needed FDI.

In reality, the net revenue raised will likely be zero or negative as a result, just like the impact of all of Labour’s previous tax policies because they have decreased economic growth, productivity and business investment resulting in a decrease in tax revenue far greater than the additional revenue extracted, while also simultaneously making GDP per capita lower. So: higher national debt, less money to fund services, higher taxes, more people unemployed, higher welfare costs and lower growth in earnings for everyone. Absolute genius. And then each time another budget comes around they seem puzzled why yet again their actions have created another “black hole”. I guess some people are slow learners.

Nothing will improve until these politicians and the clueless who are still desperately attempting to support them accept the reality of the data about how their policies are making everyone poorer. If they continue implementing yet more of this idiocy on an almost monthly basis then things will continue to spiral downwards ever faster. This is an economic certainty, and why even those who were Burnham’s advocates (Haldane, O’Neill etc) refused to join his Government when he discussed his policy proposals with them: it’s clear to anybody with the faintest clue about economics how disastrous this will be so they did not want to be associated with it and are now so worried they are now publishing warnings publicly in the media about the catastrophic outcomes which will result from his economic approach. This idiotic policy is just more fuel on the same bonfire that Labour are making of what was left of our economy after the carnage caused by the previous Conservative administration.

As you say, even if this idiotic policy WAS to raise the amount they claim it will (it won’t), this won’t make any difference to the UK’s economic woes. It will, however, change the behaviour of the precise increasingly small percentage of people who are propping up the entire UK tax system, which is pretty dangerous and foolish, don’t you think?

Why aren’t they addressing any of the structural problems that actually WILL make a difference to UK living standards across the board and create the conditions for future prosperity? I’ve set out on this thread a detailed and simplified explanation of the obvious measures that need to be taken to put in place a coherent, integrated plan for how to turn the UK economy around and raise GDP per capita, ending 2 decades of constant decline.

The question we should be asking our politicians is why they refuse to take these necessary and obvious steps and are instead condemning everyone to falling living standards in perpetuity while they make TikTok clips about bus fares.

BermudaRhombus · 20/09/2026 21:40

BigMommasHouse · 20/09/2026 21:38

It is silly that this tax isn’t about actual mansions, ie the largest and most costly top tier of the housing stock in each area, and then on a sliding scale down to an arbitrary cut off point of value.

I own an actual 17th century mansion in Wales that has great tracts of land, a ruined west wing, 6 bedrooms, stable block, walled garden, staff cottage and great hall. It has no heating, Victorian plumbing, leaky roof and several ghosts. Valued at 250k. Council tax £200 a month

That sounds lovely. Is it for sale?

BeardySchnauzer · 20/09/2026 21:43

The question we should be asking our politicians is why they refuse to take these necessary and obvious steps and are instead condemning everyone to falling living standards in perpetuity while they make TikTok clips about bus fares.

oh but he’s so much better at communicating than previous PM’s!

BermudaRhombus · 20/09/2026 21:44

BeardySchnauzer · 20/09/2026 21:43

The question we should be asking our politicians is why they refuse to take these necessary and obvious steps and are instead condemning everyone to falling living standards in perpetuity while they make TikTok clips about bus fares.

oh but he’s so much better at communicating than previous PM’s!

I do wonder what New Labour would have been like in the social media age!

BeardySchnauzer · 20/09/2026 21:47

BermudaRhombus · 20/09/2026 21:44

I do wonder what New Labour would have been like in the social media age!

Another bad thing about social media. It’s like they are so busy worrying about how to present things as quickly as possible that they don’t give much other thought

all this leaking of ideas for the budget to gauge public opinion is no way to do politics

BigMommasHouse · 20/09/2026 21:47

BermudaRhombus · 20/09/2026 21:40

That sounds lovely. Is it for sale?

No, I love it so much! It is so… inconvenient. There are plenty of similar properties that come up in North Wales if you are a bit feral and can learn the language. Properties that would have a price tage that looks like a telephone number if they were located in the south of England.

bingobangs · 20/09/2026 21:50

BeardySchnauzer · 20/09/2026 21:47

Another bad thing about social media. It’s like they are so busy worrying about how to present things as quickly as possible that they don’t give much other thought

all this leaking of ideas for the budget to gauge public opinion is no way to do politics

Agree

EasternStandard · 20/09/2026 21:51

BeardySchnauzer · 20/09/2026 21:47

Another bad thing about social media. It’s like they are so busy worrying about how to present things as quickly as possible that they don’t give much other thought

all this leaking of ideas for the budget to gauge public opinion is no way to do politics

Absolutely agree.

TheSilverTeapot · 20/09/2026 21:54

EasternStandard · 20/09/2026 21:28

Do you really want Labour though? They can’t get out of repeated tax hikes. The ideology isn’t working.

What I want is for the government that was voted in by the people to be allowed to get on with things without people calling for a GE every five minutes and catastrophising every single policy (fair and balanced criticism is fine, but that isn't what is happening).

If Labour fuck up, they will be rightly booted out at the next GE if there is a viable alternative. But at the moment a GE would mean a hung Parliament, which is not a great prospect for any of us.

That is my view as a floating voter.

NorthXNorthWest · 20/09/2026 21:57

PigletJohn · 20/09/2026 20:06

@NorthXNorthWest

"As for trying to present the State Pension in the same light as benefits paid to vulnerable people, with the implication that you shouldn’t really be entitled to it"

I haven't seen anyone do that. Perhaps I missed it. But it is undeniable that Pensions are a very large, and growing expense. More than we spend on Education, for example. Speaking as a recipient, I see no reason why our payments should perpetually rise even as the pursestrings are tightened fir the young.

And as we own most of the wealth, I see no reason why we should not expect to contribute more than younger people who have little or nothing. Our numerous ailments are a growing expense for healthcare. Somebody has to pay. Are you hoping the young will pay for us?

Lots of people are saying that is is not an entitlement. The implication being that is should only be paid out to the most vulnerable.

The State Pension does need to be addressed, but with well thought out, sustainable policies, not envy politics, short-term fixes or fundamentally flawed policies. So far, that is largely what I have seen. And just to clarify your reference to “us” - I am not a pensioner and won't be for some time.

Look at how much tax they have raised since coming to power after campaigning on a promise not to raise taxes on working people, and look where we are and where we are heading. I don't believe that anything taken from pensioners or homeowners is somehow going to find its way to the young. If the Labour genuinely wanted to improve things for younger people, it wouldn't have made it more expensive to employ them, and it would address the effective graduate tax created by student loan repayments.

LifeOnEnceladus · 20/09/2026 21:57

BeardySchnauzer · 20/09/2026 21:43

The question we should be asking our politicians is why they refuse to take these necessary and obvious steps and are instead condemning everyone to falling living standards in perpetuity while they make TikTok clips about bus fares.

oh but he’s so much better at communicating than previous PM’s!

As far as I can see all he has communicated is that😀

  1. he’s obsessed with buses and other irrelevancies and has no grasp of what the job he was so desperate for actually involves;
  2. he is utterly clueless about economics;
  3. he has a massive chip on his shoulder about London/ the south of the country;
  4. he’s arrogant and dismissive of the views of people far more knowledgeable than he is, and has a very thin skin (he avoids public scrutiny of his ideas, he can’t tolerate any criticism and notably he never accepts when he is wrong - instead he gets visibly angry when challenged or his errors are highlighted); and
  5. most concerningly, his responses always change depending on the audience he is speaking to, so he is dishonest and disingenuous.

He has demonstrated quite clearly that his chief concern is far not public service/ the wellbeing of UK citizens but a narcisstic need to be liked.

Anybody who thinks “Andy” is going to be the saviour of the UK is in for a very nasty shock.

bingobangs · 20/09/2026 21:59

@NorthXNorthWest so how would you address the state pension issue?

EasternStandard · 20/09/2026 21:59

TheSilverTeapot · 20/09/2026 21:54

What I want is for the government that was voted in by the people to be allowed to get on with things without people calling for a GE every five minutes and catastrophising every single policy (fair and balanced criticism is fine, but that isn't what is happening).

If Labour fuck up, they will be rightly booted out at the next GE if there is a viable alternative. But at the moment a GE would mean a hung Parliament, which is not a great prospect for any of us.

That is my view as a floating voter.

I don’t want a GE yet. Burnham said he wouldn’t, so he should stick to his word. Otherwise he’s a poll chaser and putting politicking above all else.

Plus a left wing coalition would likely finish us off via the markets.

bingobangs · 20/09/2026 22:05

TheSilverTeapot · 20/09/2026 21:54

What I want is for the government that was voted in by the people to be allowed to get on with things without people calling for a GE every five minutes and catastrophising every single policy (fair and balanced criticism is fine, but that isn't what is happening).

If Labour fuck up, they will be rightly booted out at the next GE if there is a viable alternative. But at the moment a GE would mean a hung Parliament, which is not a great prospect for any of us.

That is my view as a floating voter.

What have we had, 7 PMs in a decade? People still want the utopia of lower taxes & better services and they want it yesterday.

BermudaRhombus · 20/09/2026 22:05

EasternStandard · 20/09/2026 21:59

I don’t want a GE yet. Burnham said he wouldn’t, so he should stick to his word. Otherwise he’s a poll chaser and putting politicking above all else.

Plus a left wing coalition would likely finish us off via the markets.

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So you do want another 2.5 years of this government?!

EasternStandard · 20/09/2026 22:08

BermudaRhombus · 20/09/2026 22:05

So you do want another 2.5 years of this government?!

Idk probably not but atm I just want to get through the winter which will be hard enough without Labour politicians trying to disrupt with a GE.

NorthXNorthWest · 20/09/2026 22:10

bingobangs · 20/09/2026 21:17

It’s so depressing as I think we will just circle the drain. Even on this thread so many posters don’t seem to understand the impact of the changing demographics and what that costs & it’s just a question of getting labour out & everything will be fixed.

Edited

Most of us do. I'm just not convinced by how successful some of the alternatives being suggested would actually be.

You need people to want to provide more than the minimum for themselves, both during their working lives and in retirement. Policies that heavily penalise earning more can lower productivity and the tax take, the £100k tax cliff edge is an obvious example. Likewise, policies that make pension saving less attractive discourage people from providing more for their own retirement and are likely to create more of a strain on the public purse.