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Property Dilemma - please help! (Long, sorry)

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OldHouseDilemma · 28/06/2021 22:30

Oh Wise Property-Loving Mumsnetters, please give me the benefit of your thoughts and experiences.

DH and I, plus 4 kids, live in a 1930s 4 bedroom detached house, which we have recently got permission to extend upstairs. This would give us 5 bedrooms and would therefore extend the length of time we would happily live here, but it still wouldn’t be our “forever house” (although it has a large kitchen diner, the lounge is a bit small, and we would love to have a bigger garden).

We really like where we live - it’s a large village, and we wouldn’t want to leave it. Properties bigger than 4 bedroom very rarely come up here, and our plan was to complete the extension and realise the potential we saw in the house when we bought it 9 years ago. Then eventually leave if something bigger came on the market. I have not been looking at RightMove for the last few years, but DH has.

He saw that a large, v old property has gone up for sale nearby. We have viewed it once, and are planning to view it again, but I am very much in two minds about moving there. Here is my list of pros and cons:

Pros:

  1. Ginormous garden, great for young kids to explore, even has some woodland and a stream. Also great potential for the mythical time in the future when I have free time to do gardening!

  2. Masses of kerb appeal, v pretty property from outside

  3. Bags of character

  4. Potential ability to make money from AirBnb rentals in 2 bed property in grounds

  5. Lots of space inside, kids can all have own bedroom and we can have friends to stay easily

  6. V peaceful setting. On quiet road with neighbours not close enough to be heard in the garden. (Our current neighbours on one side can be noisy. Not really often, i.e. wouldn’t move just for this reason. Neighbours on other side are quiet.)

  7. Seems in good condition, but v dated.

  8. Location in terms of schools etc is really good. Our current position is better, but we would be likely to have to compromise on that anywhere that we might move, especially if we want a bigger garden.

Cons:

  1. Layout slightly unusual and doesn’t “flow” well like a modern house would. It’s a listed building (grade 2) which apparently doesn’t necessarily prevent you creating gaps in internal walls to make it more open plan, but there are fireplaces which would mean ability to change layout somewhat limited.

  2. Our current kitchen has bifold doors at the back and Velux windows, so is very light. Kitchen at property has one pair of French doors at the back and several windows along one side. Lovely, and not actually gloomy, but obviously not as open as many other properties, and it isn’t easy to see the beautiful garden from the kitchen, which seems a shame. I’m pretty sure we wouldn’t be allowed to add more windows/french doors at the back (would obviously match style, etc), but would love to hear if anyone has been allowed to do this with a listed building. The other rooms have lots of windows and are quite light. For me, it’s just that I like kitchens to be super-light!

  3. Obviously being old, it is likely to be cold in winter? Current house has underfloor heating, whereas this one has radiators, and they look old. Could eventually replace heating I guess, but would never have the even heat of underfloor heating (which I love). Possibility of underfloor heating in kitchen, which appears not to have original floor, but rest of house has original floorboards, which we wouldn’t rip up of course.

  4. I feel pathetic saying this as I don’t believe in the supernatural, and yet I suspect I will feel freaked out if I have to get up to the loo in the night, or if I am there at night on my own? Current owners have been there 41 years, so they presumably weren’t spooked by it. Bedrooms upstairs along a long corridor, so I would feel further away from the kids than in our current house. DD (6) is already a bit funny about going upstairs on her own in current house, so I wonder whether she would ever do so in this house.

  5. A lot of work needed to bring it up to date, which may include rewiring, replumbing, new heating system, not to mention new carpets, curtains, etc. Our offer would reflect this, but I don’t want to miss our kids growing up whilst concentrating on it all.

  6. A lot is going on in our lives at the mo (nothing bad, but just v busy), and we really weren’t planning to move yet.

Summary:

Beautiful, characterful house with amazing garden. Mortgage would stretch us a bit but the ability to make money may balance that in a way that other, similarly-priced properties would not offer. I think kids would have great adventures in the garden, so should I overlook slightly odd layout, coldness in winter, lack of huge windows in kitchen and probable spookiness (at least initially, in my own head) for them to be able to enjoy the garden, and for us to perhaps be better off financially in the long run, which obviously benefits them too?

This property would probably not come on the market again for many years. Location is pretty good, whereas other properties that perhaps tick more boxes in terms of internal space, would likely mean moving slightly outside the village, especially if we wanted more garden space. I would feel sad to have to drive into the village centre, instead of being able to walk.

I do recognise that this is a nice dilemma to have and that we are lucky as we are. But I would appreciate your help to help make up my mind. I am worried about moving there and regretting it, vs not moving there and regretting it!

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CatherinedeBourgh · 28/06/2021 22:33

I’d go for it like a shot.

Northernlurker · 28/06/2021 22:36

You won't get another house like that. Go for it!

TooExtraImmatureCheddar · 28/06/2021 22:37

I would move - I love everything you’ve said about the other house! But I love period properties with lots of potential/work required. And a stream and woodland!

I would distinctly NOT bother extending a house that still won’t be your forever house, unless you think you’ll stay for at least 10 years. Bar cosmetic stuff and maintenance.

EmmaGrundyForPM · 28/06/2021 22:37

I would cost it out very carefully. You say you would want to do electrics, plumbing etc and your offer would reflect this, but have the sellers already priced it low to take account of that?

If the sums work, go for it.

Melroses · 28/06/2021 22:38

I'd go for it too.

If it is livable in but dated, I would live in it and take my time over it.

Username7521 · 28/06/2021 22:44

I wouldn’t. Grade 2 listed buildings can be a pain in the arse abs going a quick upgrade can become expensive as the council can dictate material. This is based on my uncles experience

Stopsnowing · 28/06/2021 22:49

Your pros outweigh the cons!

beggingforsleep · 28/06/2021 22:50

Absolutely! You only live once and it sounds like a beautiful place to live that life!

Candleabra · 28/06/2021 22:56

Do your research about owning a listed building. It isn't just restrictions on knocking walls down, it can be incredibly difficult to do anything, and mega expensive

That said, it sounds an amazing house and very tempting. Just go into it with your eyes open.

OldHouseDilemma · 28/06/2021 23:00

This is interesting, I wasn't expecting the vast majority to be so positive! I think my main issue is the layout and limited ability to change it. If the kitchen/lounge/general living space was all linked as it is in a lot of houses, or if it could be made like that, I think I wouldn't be so unsure. As it is currently, the rooms are side by side off a hallway, and wouldn't be able to be knocked through much.

I have been reading the other thread here about knowing when the house is "the one" and I don't have that feeling. But I'm not sure any house would, because we are quite specific on the area we like. What's the saying? Location, location, location.......?!

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OldHouseDilemma · 28/06/2021 23:02

@Candleabra

Do your research about owning a listed building. It isn't just restrictions on knocking walls down, it can be incredibly difficult to do anything, and mega expensive

That said, it sounds an amazing house and very tempting. Just go into it with your eyes open.

We have checked the listing, which only lists external features, plus one internal staircase, and read a couple of online articles about the fact that Grade 2 listed buildings can be modernised sympathetically internally, but giving little detail as to how.

I'd love to hear how other MNetters have managed to sympathetically modernise Grade 2 listed homes.

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BananaHammock23 · 28/06/2021 23:06

I think the new house sounds brilliant but I completely get your reservations (particularly the haunted one, I am exactly the same and it made me chuckle).

We had a structural surveyor guy come and look at our house with us and tell us what would be possible with regard to removing walls and extensions etc as we're in a conservation area. He had loads of ideas for the layout of the downstairs which I would never have considered - and I like to think I'm pretty creative with these things! I think the consultation was a few hundred pounds but worth it as we bought the house and made the changes!

OldHouseDilemma · 28/06/2021 23:16

@BananaHammock23

I think the new house sounds brilliant but I completely get your reservations (particularly the haunted one, I am exactly the same and it made me chuckle).

We had a structural surveyor guy come and look at our house with us and tell us what would be possible with regard to removing walls and extensions etc as we're in a conservation area. He had loads of ideas for the layout of the downstairs which I would never have considered - and I like to think I'm pretty creative with these things! I think the consultation was a few hundred pounds but worth it as we bought the house and made the changes!

That kind of guy sounds very useful. Can you remember where you found him, or can you recommend where I might look for someone similar? New ideas for layout from someone who knows what would be allowed in a listed building, is exactly what we need.
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Saltyslug · 28/06/2021 23:16

Move if it’s your forever house

OldHouseDilemma · 28/06/2021 23:18

@Saltyslug

Move if it’s your forever house
But I can't decide if it is!
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Wheretobuy · 28/06/2021 23:20

It looks like your heart is not in it and you are going through other stuff in life that can take your focus away from this project. Have you checked costs and timeline of the work that you may need to do in the next few years? I will resent the house if it becomes too much. Especially as you say schools are better where you are.

Bellyups · 28/06/2021 23:23

The pros outweighs the cons!

OldHouseDilemma · 28/06/2021 23:25

@Wheretobuy

It looks like your heart is not in it and you are going through other stuff in life that can take your focus away from this project. Have you checked costs and timeline of the work that you may need to do in the next few years? I will resent the house if it becomes too much. Especially as you say schools are better where you are.
Sorry, I think I was unclear. The children would not have to change schools. We would be slightly further away, but still walking distance.

And life is particularly busy for the next few months. Should be a bit easier from around November, but not an ideal time to put our house on the market and move house!

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Wheretobuy · 28/06/2021 23:28

That changes things for me. Can you do a full structural survey to identify any serious issues and get a cost estimate? I appreciate that this is time consuming and can mean someone else puts an offer before you.

TheLeadbetterLife · 28/06/2021 23:32

I grew up in a house like this - grade 2 listed, needed renovation, large garden (well land, it was a farmhouse), outbuildings that were turned into homes to sell or rent.

It was brilliant for us kids, we had a great time, but it was a hell of a lot of work for my mum. The renovations were never fully finished before we eventually sold up and moved on after 17 years.

Quincesorbet · 28/06/2021 23:33

We have checked the listing, which only lists external features, plus one internal staircase, and read a couple of online articles about the fact that Grade 2 listed buildings can be modernised sympathetically internally, but giving little detail as to how.

The listing may only mention certain noteworthy features, but the entire building inside and out would need listed building consent for any alterations. I lived in a medieval house with an unattractive 1960s brick extension to the kitchen. when we wanted to swap the position of the back door and a window in the extension, , not replacing them, but needing a few new bricks to make good the alteration, I had to take samples of bricks to the conservation officer for their approval!

parietal · 28/06/2021 23:34

my parents live in listed house but got planning for a modern extension at the back that links all the rooms together & gives a big light kitchen with good connections to the garden. so it can be done.

do the costings carefully and then go for it.

youshouldbeplotting · 28/06/2021 23:36

If you have bags of money to throw at it to bring it up to date, I would, it sounds amazing. If not, I would hesitate.

allihaveleft · 28/06/2021 23:37

It sounds like it has lots of potential. An architect with conservation experience should be able to unlock the layout in ways you haven’t thought of. You could try the RIBA conservation register to find a good one.

TheLeadbetterLife · 28/06/2021 23:43

Oh and yeah, it was hard (and expensive) to heat.