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Property Dilemma - please help! (Long, sorry)

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OldHouseDilemma · 28/06/2021 22:30

Oh Wise Property-Loving Mumsnetters, please give me the benefit of your thoughts and experiences.

DH and I, plus 4 kids, live in a 1930s 4 bedroom detached house, which we have recently got permission to extend upstairs. This would give us 5 bedrooms and would therefore extend the length of time we would happily live here, but it still wouldn’t be our “forever house” (although it has a large kitchen diner, the lounge is a bit small, and we would love to have a bigger garden).

We really like where we live - it’s a large village, and we wouldn’t want to leave it. Properties bigger than 4 bedroom very rarely come up here, and our plan was to complete the extension and realise the potential we saw in the house when we bought it 9 years ago. Then eventually leave if something bigger came on the market. I have not been looking at RightMove for the last few years, but DH has.

He saw that a large, v old property has gone up for sale nearby. We have viewed it once, and are planning to view it again, but I am very much in two minds about moving there. Here is my list of pros and cons:

Pros:

  1. Ginormous garden, great for young kids to explore, even has some woodland and a stream. Also great potential for the mythical time in the future when I have free time to do gardening!

  2. Masses of kerb appeal, v pretty property from outside

  3. Bags of character

  4. Potential ability to make money from AirBnb rentals in 2 bed property in grounds

  5. Lots of space inside, kids can all have own bedroom and we can have friends to stay easily

  6. V peaceful setting. On quiet road with neighbours not close enough to be heard in the garden. (Our current neighbours on one side can be noisy. Not really often, i.e. wouldn’t move just for this reason. Neighbours on other side are quiet.)

  7. Seems in good condition, but v dated.

  8. Location in terms of schools etc is really good. Our current position is better, but we would be likely to have to compromise on that anywhere that we might move, especially if we want a bigger garden.

Cons:

  1. Layout slightly unusual and doesn’t “flow” well like a modern house would. It’s a listed building (grade 2) which apparently doesn’t necessarily prevent you creating gaps in internal walls to make it more open plan, but there are fireplaces which would mean ability to change layout somewhat limited.

  2. Our current kitchen has bifold doors at the back and Velux windows, so is very light. Kitchen at property has one pair of French doors at the back and several windows along one side. Lovely, and not actually gloomy, but obviously not as open as many other properties, and it isn’t easy to see the beautiful garden from the kitchen, which seems a shame. I’m pretty sure we wouldn’t be allowed to add more windows/french doors at the back (would obviously match style, etc), but would love to hear if anyone has been allowed to do this with a listed building. The other rooms have lots of windows and are quite light. For me, it’s just that I like kitchens to be super-light!

  3. Obviously being old, it is likely to be cold in winter? Current house has underfloor heating, whereas this one has radiators, and they look old. Could eventually replace heating I guess, but would never have the even heat of underfloor heating (which I love). Possibility of underfloor heating in kitchen, which appears not to have original floor, but rest of house has original floorboards, which we wouldn’t rip up of course.

  4. I feel pathetic saying this as I don’t believe in the supernatural, and yet I suspect I will feel freaked out if I have to get up to the loo in the night, or if I am there at night on my own? Current owners have been there 41 years, so they presumably weren’t spooked by it. Bedrooms upstairs along a long corridor, so I would feel further away from the kids than in our current house. DD (6) is already a bit funny about going upstairs on her own in current house, so I wonder whether she would ever do so in this house.

  5. A lot of work needed to bring it up to date, which may include rewiring, replumbing, new heating system, not to mention new carpets, curtains, etc. Our offer would reflect this, but I don’t want to miss our kids growing up whilst concentrating on it all.

  6. A lot is going on in our lives at the mo (nothing bad, but just v busy), and we really weren’t planning to move yet.

Summary:

Beautiful, characterful house with amazing garden. Mortgage would stretch us a bit but the ability to make money may balance that in a way that other, similarly-priced properties would not offer. I think kids would have great adventures in the garden, so should I overlook slightly odd layout, coldness in winter, lack of huge windows in kitchen and probable spookiness (at least initially, in my own head) for them to be able to enjoy the garden, and for us to perhaps be better off financially in the long run, which obviously benefits them too?

This property would probably not come on the market again for many years. Location is pretty good, whereas other properties that perhaps tick more boxes in terms of internal space, would likely mean moving slightly outside the village, especially if we wanted more garden space. I would feel sad to have to drive into the village centre, instead of being able to walk.

I do recognise that this is a nice dilemma to have and that we are lucky as we are. But I would appreciate your help to help make up my mind. I am worried about moving there and regretting it, vs not moving there and regretting it!

OP posts:
Persipan · 29/06/2021 06:06

I would buy it in a cold second. But, I'm not a fan of open plan, and it sounds as though you are. You may well find, though, as your children get older, that having several different rooms rather than a more linked open space would actually be a bonus.

I would second what a pp has said about the listing applying to the whole property, not just the bits mentioned in the listing. Think carefully about whether those kinds of constraints would work for you - this is the sort of house where you need to like what it is, not what it could be if you went full Kirstie Allsop on it and could wield your sledgehammer at will.

It does sound like a glorious sort of house to grow up in!

Soontobe60 · 29/06/2021 06:10

I think you may be dreaming! If this house is as idyllic as it sounds it will be snapped up, whilst your house isn’t even on the market yet.
Also, we need a link!

Andthenanothercupoftea · 29/06/2021 06:57

Moving sounds like a lot less of a faff than living through a big extension if you've got other stuff on your plate.

The money you've got for an extension would probably go quite far to making sympathetic internal changes - but if the rooms are large, you may find you don't want to - so I'd live there for a while before deciding you want to change everything. In the mean time you could use the cash to improve insulation etc to help keep the heat in.

Also, having planning permission will mean your house will be even more attractive to buyers.

Sounds like you're a little wary of it being an older property so peace of mind from a proper structural survey will help.

But with a woodland and stream it sounds like the sort of place idyllic childhoods are made.

umbel · 29/06/2021 07:27

I would totally go for it. Put the money you were planning to spend on your extension towards renovations. If your current house with 4 beds feels too small downstairs, it will feel the same or worse to someone wanting a five bed so may not be a worthwhile investment if you are planning to sell.

HidingFromDD · 29/06/2021 07:33

I would without hesitation but I love older buildings and their quirkiness and tend to view doing things every weekend on the house as more of a hobby. Sounds like this house would be one with a constant project on the go. If that's something that appeals to you then could be worth it but doesn't sound like it is. Also, be prepared to spend all your spare cash on the essentials (wiring/heating/plumbing) leaving nothing for layout changes or decor

catfeets · 29/06/2021 07:45

I'd go for it personally. I'd also assume it's likely to sell before you get a chance to buy it. It sounds a really great house, but they're unlikely to take offers from you until your own house has offers accepted. So you could well end up paying out for an estate agent and then having to take the house off the market.

HeddaGarbled · 29/06/2021 07:45

Do you think you ought to love a “character” house because that’s a societal convention, when actually you prefer the comfort and convenience of a newer house?

OldHouseDilemma · 29/06/2021 08:04

Thank you everyone for your very interesting and helpful replies. This is really helping me to consider everything.

I am currently being shouted out by a toddler and so will reply to everyone's points later today! Grin

OP posts:
MarianneUnfaithful · 29/06/2021 08:12

Do plan for increased running and maintenance costs.

If you extend your current house the CouncilTax band stays the same until you sell to new owners. Check the band for a property this size with the AirBnB buildings etc. Higher insurance costs?

It really will be expensive to re-furb.

But will all be worth it if you can afford it.

walkoflifewoohoo · 29/06/2021 08:12

No link to let us have a look?

Subbaxeo · 29/06/2021 08:16

If you have lots and lots of money to throw at it and bring it up to date, go for it. It will be very beautiful. If you don’t, think carefully if you want to live in a huge money pit and curtail other parts of your life to live in a big fuck off house, the drawbacks of which will start to nibble at you before long. Speaking from experience many years ago.

Subbaxeo · 29/06/2021 08:17

*niggle

Purplewithred · 29/06/2021 08:20

I wouldn't bother extending your current house.

I've lived in old including G2listed and I've lived in new including self-build. You're right to be hesitating, if the layout isn't right in a listed property then that can be really hard to get past because of fireplaces, not able to just take down walls etc. Lots of good advice above but red flags for me are an enormous garden if you don't already love gardening and have 4 kids; poky kitchen with separate eating areas if you're used to a big light kitchen/dining family room; your assumption that you can make a low offer to compensate for the dated decor when the opportunity to completely revamp might actually command a premium.

I might just hold out for a different bigger house if I were you. If you want to post a link I am sure we'd all be delighted to make suggestions for you though.

Aknifewith16blades · 29/06/2021 08:28

I wouldn't - the listing will stop you making the changes that you want, and it would be an awful lot of work for a house that it sounds like you won't like in the end.

SarahMused · 29/06/2021 08:48

We live in a grade 2 listed house and have been allowed to build an extension and make other changes. However, the process to do anything takes a long time and you are at the whim of the local conservation officers and some are a lot easier to deal with than others. The whole house is listed, even modern changes and anything that changes the character of the house has to get listed building permission. Things tend to cost more because they often ask for specific ways of doing stuff and you need tradesmen that know what they are doing. Our house is difficult to keep up to modern temperatures in cold winters but, to be honest, we are used to it and find modern houses too warm. It is lovely and cool in summer.
It really depends on how keen you are on the ‘look’ rather than the ease of living in a place. Do you love gardening enough to maintain a large plot? Things can get out of control quickly and it can become a chore at times.

tilder · 29/06/2021 08:57

Old listed buildings=expensive money pits.

All work requires consent (potentially including the garden if pre 1948). It's all listed. Changing a layout is not easy to get consent for.

I would only buy it if I loved it as it is. All work takes longer and costs more than the equivalent in a modern house. It's a joy to live in a listed building, but it is not the same as an an unlisted house.

And yes. Likely to be colder, draughtier and require more energy to keep warm than a modern house. Many of the ways to improve insulation or energy efficiency won't be allowed.

Alonelonelylonersbadidea · 29/06/2021 09:01

Link or it never happened!

ThyNameIsDave · 29/06/2021 09:03

The 'knowing' about a house when you view it is a lovely idea and sometimes it works out. We had that with our last house. This house was very much a head over heart situation. The location was perfect, the house was not, dh really did not like it at first. But we talked ourselves into it (there was just NOTHING else on the market - and hasn't been anything which would have suited us in the years since we've lived here) we've made it our own, gutted and redecorated the house and put on a microscopic extension which made the flow of the house a hundred times better, we've re-done the garden and we absolutely love it here. So although we didn't get 'the feeling' we are really happy and settled here and plan for it to be our forever home.

SalaciousCrumble · 29/06/2021 09:03

The 'new house' sounds amazing and I would love it! But a grade ii listed house is a labour of love. We have just completed an extension and knocked through a couple of rooms in ours but we considered that a bonus rather than a 'must do' as we love the house anyway. Having said that our conservation officer is very pragmatic and knows that houses must be allowed to evolve with modern life as well as preserving history.

The garden sounds incredible though! If it were me I would be jumping at it.

Hallyup6 · 29/06/2021 09:13

Gosh, I'd give anything for a house like that. I'm always looking at Rightmove and dreaming but my husband is very into modern houses so we've never even viewed one. Life's too short not to go for these things, if you both agree that it's financially viable.

VodkaSlimline · 29/06/2021 09:14

I'd go for the new house provided you are very clear on what you will and won't be allowed to do to it.

historicengland.org.uk/listing/what-is-designation/listed-buildings

Duvetflower · 29/06/2021 09:19

I'd go for it in a second, but I don't think you should.

You just don't sound that keen and to take on a big old house you need to love it. For example, you've told us how the fireplaces get in the way of an open plan lay out and not how beautiful the original fireplaces are.

Pregnantpeppa · 29/06/2021 09:20

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Flowers500 · 29/06/2021 09:21

That sounds like my literal dream house, but I also understand that you have different priorities in choosing a home, with mod cons like heating, open plan, bifolds, etc. which do fundamentally clash with a lovely old period property. I might be wrong but I get the sense it’s a gorgeous old Georgian place? If layout, modern lightenings and comfort are things that matter to you then it might not suit. Personally though I would say embrace the draft, accept it will be cold and just love it for what it is. But go in knowing that it won’t be warm and insulated, it won’t be double glazed, it will cost a small fortune to run and you will be doing constant repairs.

sunshinesupermum · 29/06/2021 15:18

I think you may be dreaming! If this house is as idyllic as it sounds it will be snapped up, whilst your house isn’t even on the market yet.
Also, we need a link!

This!