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Property Dilemma - please help! (Long, sorry)

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OldHouseDilemma · 28/06/2021 22:30

Oh Wise Property-Loving Mumsnetters, please give me the benefit of your thoughts and experiences.

DH and I, plus 4 kids, live in a 1930s 4 bedroom detached house, which we have recently got permission to extend upstairs. This would give us 5 bedrooms and would therefore extend the length of time we would happily live here, but it still wouldn’t be our “forever house” (although it has a large kitchen diner, the lounge is a bit small, and we would love to have a bigger garden).

We really like where we live - it’s a large village, and we wouldn’t want to leave it. Properties bigger than 4 bedroom very rarely come up here, and our plan was to complete the extension and realise the potential we saw in the house when we bought it 9 years ago. Then eventually leave if something bigger came on the market. I have not been looking at RightMove for the last few years, but DH has.

He saw that a large, v old property has gone up for sale nearby. We have viewed it once, and are planning to view it again, but I am very much in two minds about moving there. Here is my list of pros and cons:

Pros:

  1. Ginormous garden, great for young kids to explore, even has some woodland and a stream. Also great potential for the mythical time in the future when I have free time to do gardening!

  2. Masses of kerb appeal, v pretty property from outside

  3. Bags of character

  4. Potential ability to make money from AirBnb rentals in 2 bed property in grounds

  5. Lots of space inside, kids can all have own bedroom and we can have friends to stay easily

  6. V peaceful setting. On quiet road with neighbours not close enough to be heard in the garden. (Our current neighbours on one side can be noisy. Not really often, i.e. wouldn’t move just for this reason. Neighbours on other side are quiet.)

  7. Seems in good condition, but v dated.

  8. Location in terms of schools etc is really good. Our current position is better, but we would be likely to have to compromise on that anywhere that we might move, especially if we want a bigger garden.

Cons:

  1. Layout slightly unusual and doesn’t “flow” well like a modern house would. It’s a listed building (grade 2) which apparently doesn’t necessarily prevent you creating gaps in internal walls to make it more open plan, but there are fireplaces which would mean ability to change layout somewhat limited.

  2. Our current kitchen has bifold doors at the back and Velux windows, so is very light. Kitchen at property has one pair of French doors at the back and several windows along one side. Lovely, and not actually gloomy, but obviously not as open as many other properties, and it isn’t easy to see the beautiful garden from the kitchen, which seems a shame. I’m pretty sure we wouldn’t be allowed to add more windows/french doors at the back (would obviously match style, etc), but would love to hear if anyone has been allowed to do this with a listed building. The other rooms have lots of windows and are quite light. For me, it’s just that I like kitchens to be super-light!

  3. Obviously being old, it is likely to be cold in winter? Current house has underfloor heating, whereas this one has radiators, and they look old. Could eventually replace heating I guess, but would never have the even heat of underfloor heating (which I love). Possibility of underfloor heating in kitchen, which appears not to have original floor, but rest of house has original floorboards, which we wouldn’t rip up of course.

  4. I feel pathetic saying this as I don’t believe in the supernatural, and yet I suspect I will feel freaked out if I have to get up to the loo in the night, or if I am there at night on my own? Current owners have been there 41 years, so they presumably weren’t spooked by it. Bedrooms upstairs along a long corridor, so I would feel further away from the kids than in our current house. DD (6) is already a bit funny about going upstairs on her own in current house, so I wonder whether she would ever do so in this house.

  5. A lot of work needed to bring it up to date, which may include rewiring, replumbing, new heating system, not to mention new carpets, curtains, etc. Our offer would reflect this, but I don’t want to miss our kids growing up whilst concentrating on it all.

  6. A lot is going on in our lives at the mo (nothing bad, but just v busy), and we really weren’t planning to move yet.

Summary:

Beautiful, characterful house with amazing garden. Mortgage would stretch us a bit but the ability to make money may balance that in a way that other, similarly-priced properties would not offer. I think kids would have great adventures in the garden, so should I overlook slightly odd layout, coldness in winter, lack of huge windows in kitchen and probable spookiness (at least initially, in my own head) for them to be able to enjoy the garden, and for us to perhaps be better off financially in the long run, which obviously benefits them too?

This property would probably not come on the market again for many years. Location is pretty good, whereas other properties that perhaps tick more boxes in terms of internal space, would likely mean moving slightly outside the village, especially if we wanted more garden space. I would feel sad to have to drive into the village centre, instead of being able to walk.

I do recognise that this is a nice dilemma to have and that we are lucky as we are. But I would appreciate your help to help make up my mind. I am worried about moving there and regretting it, vs not moving there and regretting it!

OP posts:
BlueMongoose · 30/06/2021 20:54

Listing can be a pain. A friend had a house which was grade 2 (not 2*). It was a house from the 1700s or earlier. 1970s dormers had been put on prior to the listing, not very charming in appearance, and needing replacement. As listings work as of the time of listing, they were told they had to stick to the 1970s materials and design of dormer, even though they wanted to put in dormers more in keeping with the building. I think if you want to change this building, you need to at least take advice re what you might want to change from an architect locally who knows what attitude the local listed building inspectors generally take.

tilder · 30/06/2021 21:31

Some councils allow an informal chat about what may or may not be acceptable in terms of work, possibly for a small fee. If your council does, and the conservation officer is amenable it would be worth while.

Also check the planning history to see what listed building applications have been submitted and the response.

On insurance. If it's non standard or quirky you may need a specialist to insure. They may quote on a house you don't own which can be reassuring. Or not if eye watering!

An aga=energy pit. They are not energy efficient. Ours burnt £10-15 of oil per day and has been removed (very old so not reflective of a modern one). You can always ask the vendor what the monthly bills are, or how many litres of oil they get through per year.

You need to love it as it is. You might be able to change it (but not by much).

roastedsaltedpeanut · 30/06/2021 21:39

The New house sounds amazing and none of the cons are real issues in my opinion. As long as you get the finance in place this will be a dream!

Aga isn’t expensive to run as most people only use it during winter. Summer time calls for an electric oven and hob.

older buildings are notorious for being money pits. The bigger and older the more expensive. All the infrastructure works you had mentioned such as replumbing and rewiring will cost an arm and leg as you cannot just use any tradesman for listed buildings. I would get quotes of major works first before I even contemplate putting an offer in.
Grad II listed could be a pain in the bottom to maintain and keep, depending on why the house was listed and how finicky the local council is. I wouldn’t buy a listed building in the county I am in right now. They even dictate what the type of lightbulb that goes in wall lights! Crazily intrusive IMO. I have seen listed buildings on RM with extra modern (tacky in other words) interior and I couldn’t believe it is actually listed. You might get lucky and have a very laid back council.

If the garden has woodlands and stream etc it would be at least a few acres. You will need sturdier machines for the job if you do it yourself. The outlay is slightly expensive but maintenance of these machinery is a pain! At least that’s the case for me. Something is always breaking down and needs to be fixed.

Having pointed out all the minor issues, this sounds like the perfect house for you and you must absolutely go for it! And I wish you all the best of luck!

helpmum2003 · 30/06/2021 21:41

We used to live in a similar sized house with a large garden. It was lovely but is a massive amount of work. Do you have a job also? I work outside the home and wouldn't do it again. Moved to a smaller house and quality of life is better.

Cherries590 · 01/07/2021 13:23

@OldHouseDilemma

Oh, and I'm really sorry for not posting a link. I fear it would be outing. I know that is annoying though!
If you linked it I suspect it would be snapped up, so you’re wise not to…
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