When will VAT legal challenge outcome become known?

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Does anyone know the answer to this?

(I’m to pay the first invoice with VAT on it and pondering what will happen if the legal case is successful).

‘NHS/Education in this country is NOT FAIR, it is a postcode lottery’

Agreed, so it’s time to do something about it. The Tories did everything they could to destroy both the NHS and state education stink, but that’s what happens when people with generational wealth, private schooling using private healthcare are in charge.
Hardly the poster kids for private ed action, that’s for sure. Privileged, not that bright, over confident, self serving, un empathic.

Even if it succeeds it isn't binding on the government, so the chances of it changing the policy are pretty close to zero.

While there may be a lot of focus on the imposition of VAT on schools fees (especially here, what with this being a thread on the topic ’n all), I’m not sure anyone is seriously arguing it will lead to a huge voter shift from Labour.

The VAT issue instead exemplifies Labour’s general incompetence, its economic incoherence, and the fact it is not even trying to make any meaningful improvements to this country. Just look at the disaster they’ve made in 6 months - it beggars belief that in some ways our economy is in a worse position that after the Truss debacle! I’m struggling to think of anything positive that the government has achieved that hasn’t had a fairly big downside that cancels out the gain.

If Labour had brought in a budget and policies which provided for economic growth, if it had a vision and policies to make a material difference to state education and SEN provision, if it had come up with a credible plan to reform social care etc etc then this debate would be very different. Yes, some people would still object to VAT for a variety of reasons, some much more justified than others, but may otherwise have been broadly supportive of the government.

But it’s as if Labour have an “anti-Midas touch” - everything they do turns to shit!! For some- especially those affected - this will be symbolised by VAT. Farmers, elderly people, families whose child benefit continues to be capped etc will reach the same conclusion but for other reasons - if Labour carries on like this then they absolutely must go.

But why would you believe in this policy if Labour’s policies overall mean higher borrowing costs, potential stagflation and more likely lower public spending?

How does the last one help state schools?

“Even if it succeeds it isn't binding on the government, so the chances of it changing the policy are pretty close to zero.”

There is no chance in hell a Labour Party can survive breaching the Human Rights Act!

I’m not sure I’ve seen anyone on these boards defending the Tory record, albeit I assume that MN has more than its fair share of Tory supporters.

The Tories made a mess of many things but it it seems that Labour are going to surpass them for sheer self-destructive incompetence. Which is why there is a real risk that legacy of both these governments will be four years of Reform in charge or in coalition.

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620k children have 2 parents each, potentially 4 annoyed grandparents, uncle’s, aunts cousins etc - it quickly ramps up. They have annoyed the country side, they have annoyed the elderly etc - these are millions of votes!

Farage and Co are pointing out daily that all Labour care about is the champagne socialists vote and the Muslim vote.

Mate, even some of my friends who PAY for private school thing taking away the tax break was overdue and fair - good luck getting anyone’s ‘aunts, uncles, cousins etc.’ to base their votes on YOU having g to pay a bit more for a luxury.
You’re deluded if you think anyone other than SOME of the people paying for fees care. They don’t.
Use these businesses to educate your kids, but pay your tax. Or don’t. Tax dodgers are free to piss off to the likes of Dubai, UAE etc where they can live a lovely lifestyle at the cost of the human rights of those who haven’t money.

You didn't say "millions of votes" - you said millions of SEND stories.

Really after the millions of stories of kids with SEND?

Anyway, this is pointless, as you are repeatedly changing the debating ground mid discussion. As you often do.

Hiding thread as I have better things to do. Ta-ra.

What this country needs is a strong politician at the helm (that means someone who can react quickly to an every changing national AND international landscape and have an instinct of what is coming) with an economic/business mastermind right next to them. We have neither.

Both Truss and Reeves went horribly wrong for ideological reasons.
We can all agree that raising minimum wage and NI is morally right, but do that in the wrong environment, thousands lose their jobs, graduates have nowhere to work or train etc and the ultimate effect is the opposite.

Away you flounce!

“Mate, even some of my friends who PAY for private school thing taking away the tax break was overdue and fair - good luck getting anyone’s ‘aunts, uncles, cousins etc.’ to base their votes on YOU having g to pay a bit more for a luxury.”

@Liddlemoreaction - you are very naive. Your friends are not telling you what they actually think because of your attitude - “mate”, “tax break” - says it all!

No answer on how reducing public spending will help state schools

I think Reeves will want your version of hiding the thread or hiding from incoming issues too

Labour are not going to lose the next Election based on the VAT issue. They are going to lose due to everything else. They are ruining this country....clear to see.

Support for Labour was pretty shallow, even if it did result in a ‘landslide’ electoral outcome, and they almost certainly will need to increase support in the next election if they want to maintain power. They ran on a platform of loose ideals and no specifics in order to keep the focus on Conservative Party failures, but that lack of detail is really biting them now - unable to translate those vague ideals into tangible policy and no real public buy in for difficult decisions. Next election will be a referendum on their performance, not the tories, and based on what we’ve seen so far (and reflected in polling) I don’t think they have a chance.

Spot on - as mentioned recent polls have shown they have lost almost all their majority. It's only going to get worse....of the Tories can win back some of the votes lost to Reform, then they will win, otherwise will be a Tory / Reform government. Either way, VAT will be removed in 4 years time.

Mostly they aren’t talking about it, as they have more class than to moan about their privilege, but they did have the option of not saying anything at all and yet did.
They can all afford it though. As can most of private school parents.
It’s really becoming a case of ‘is it worth it? Is it waste of money?’ for many as £££ fees go up up year after year after year - there aren’t as many parents who consider world-class golf simulators to be a key component of school education as you might think.

‘Support for Labour was pretty shallow, even if it did result in a ‘landslide’ electoral outcome,’

oh dear. People really don’t like our 1st past the post system when it goes against their vote, do they? A landslide is a landslide.

Enjoy it while it lasts… 4 years and counting down.

Many people voted Labour because they firmly believed it could not get any worse than what we witnessed with the Tories. MC people with kids in private schools assumed that whilst they had to pay VAT, they would become better off otherwise - economically, better NHS access etc, better for all which would translate to a better economy and a nicer atmosphere. Many middle aged people are nostalgic for the Blair years. Starmer seemed like a Blairite - a steady ship who will compromise. Unfortunately he has made some terrible calls backing Reeves and Phillipson. They should have waited and seen and let the economy recover first. They gambled and lost. I think it is likely too late already. However, it could get much much worse if Starmer does not stay, Starmer is relatively moderate so people should be careful what they wish for.
These nasty minority attacks were completely misguided, that is all I have to say on the matter. Whether they lose the case or not - I am not sure what is a better outcome for them at this point. They have gone too far to back down now, yet they sort of need to lose in court.

You are still positive about Labour, I’m guessing you missed the updates this morning

Will you still be if we see stagflation settle in and lower public spending?

Covid broke so many unwritten rules, including parents’ blind faith in sending DCs to school and having faith that that is in their best interests. The sooner this Government realise that Education should have been their absolute priority, the better. People are fed up and want change, they want better, every vote counts and every person needs to be persuaded that the existing status quo can work. Many simply do not believe that anymore.

No one is arguing with that....but first past the post if it was now, and it would be no longer a Labour majority. So enjoy 4 years of Labour, as it will likely be the last for a very long time :)

Another 2 schools to announce closure. That's 6 since 1st Jan.

What schools are these?