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When will VAT legal challenge outcome become known?

109 replies

kitz90 · 10/12/2024 09:25

Does anyone know the answer to this?

(I’m to pay the first invoice with VAT on it and pondering what will happen if the legal case is successful).

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Liddlemoreaction · 06/01/2025 09:43

minipie · 06/01/2025 09:30

Lord Pannick said: “It would be strongly arguable that for a new government to impose VAT on independent schools would breach the right to education.

”Strongly arguable” - that’s barrister speak for “I wouldn’t be embarrassed to make this argument in court but it’s a long shot”. Definitely doesn’t mean it will win.

Lord Pannick has picked as side. Nothing Lord Pannick says can be taken as anything other than the arguments of a man being paid 10s of 1000s to defend that side.

twistyizzy · 06/01/2025 09:44

Liddlemoreaction · 06/01/2025 09:43

Lord Pannick has picked as side. Nothing Lord Pannick says can be taken as anything other than the arguments of a man being paid 10s of 1000s to defend that side.

Interestingly though he was hired by Labour previously and gave them the same advice. They listened and abided by that advice at the time. Different Labour team = ignored that advice

Caps44 · 07/01/2025 12:29

Worst case it's only for another 4 years....Tories / Reform will remove it.

twistyizzy · 07/01/2025 12:29

Caps44 · 07/01/2025 12:29

Worst case it's only for another 4 years....Tories / Reform will remove it.

Sadly not sure we can afford to wait that long!

Caps44 · 07/01/2025 12:33

@twistyizzy Sorry to hear that. Hopefully it gets stopped in court. We are only able to pay as we have 1 child, but I can't see Labour being in power next election.

Liddlemoreaction · 07/01/2025 15:41

Caps44 · 07/01/2025 12:29

Worst case it's only for another 4 years....Tories / Reform will remove it.

Not. A . Chance. Not once the money’s coming in, and as for the Tories getting a JC in, it’ll take more than that. And as for Reform, you’ll have more to worry about that paying your tax if those arseholes have any kind of power.

twistyizzy · 07/01/2025 15:46

Liddlemoreaction · 07/01/2025 15:41

Not. A . Chance. Not once the money’s coming in, and as for the Tories getting a JC in, it’ll take more than that. And as for Reform, you’ll have more to worry about that paying your tax if those arseholes have any kind of power.

Tories and Reform have already pledged to remove it.
FYI there won't be any "money coming in" if many more indy schools close/kids leave. At 10% the policy stops bringing anything in and starts costing the state

Caps44 · 07/01/2025 16:23

Liddlemoreaction · 07/01/2025 15:41

Not. A . Chance. Not once the money’s coming in, and as for the Tories getting a JC in, it’ll take more than that. And as for Reform, you’ll have more to worry about that paying your tax if those arseholes have any kind of power.

Both have said it will be scrapped. At worst, it's 4 years of pain...
There is zero chance Labour will be in power in any form at the next election.

SheilaFentiman · 07/01/2025 20:03

Caps44 · 07/01/2025 16:23

Both have said it will be scrapped. At worst, it's 4 years of pain...
There is zero chance Labour will be in power in any form at the next election.

Labour has a significant parliamentary majority and was elected with this policy in their manifesto. Plus the Tories were awful.

It’s a nonsense to spout hyperbole about “zero chance” of re election

Araminta1003 · 07/01/2025 20:08

I bet both Tories and Reform will also pledge to remove farmers inheritance tax and reintroduce some form of WFA - Labour own goal all this stuff.
You can’t do much in one term. They got too comfortable too quickly assuming they will be in for two terms and a lot of what they are proposing to do is mistakingly based on that assumption. Didn’t read the room and power of social media nor that Trump may get in. You can’t do anything really unpopular with anyone anymore in politics in this climate. Their advisors are useless!

FloralGums · 07/01/2025 20:09

Labour have a very good chance of getting in at the next election. They are doing a great job of trying to sort out the mess the Tories left education, NHS, councils, social services in.
I don’t know anyone in real life who isn’t really pleased with what Labour are doing.
There are lots of middle class Tories on MN who keep posting about private schools loosing their VAT exemption, but in real life it’s a very popular policy and affects a tiny percentage of people.

twistyizzy · 07/01/2025 20:12

FloralGums · 07/01/2025 20:09

Labour have a very good chance of getting in at the next election. They are doing a great job of trying to sort out the mess the Tories left education, NHS, councils, social services in.
I don’t know anyone in real life who isn’t really pleased with what Labour are doing.
There are lots of middle class Tories on MN who keep posting about private schools loosing their VAT exemption, but in real life it’s a very popular policy and affects a tiny percentage of people.

By crashing the economy? Have you seen Labour’s polling recently? Worst drop of any new government. Stop calling anyone who criticises Labour a Tory, that's exactly what sends people to Farage + Reform!

SheilaFentiman · 07/01/2025 20:12

Things parties say long before there is an election often don’t make the manifesto.

We may have gone through another couple of Tory and Reform leaders by then!

twistyizzy · 07/01/2025 20:13

SheilaFentiman · 07/01/2025 20:12

Things parties say long before there is an election often don’t make the manifesto.

We may have gone through another couple of Tory and Reform leaders by then!

And this policy has turned many into 1 issue voters

SheilaFentiman · 07/01/2025 20:15

twistyizzy · 07/01/2025 20:13

And this policy has turned many into 1 issue voters

But presumably not people who voted Labour (or tactically so that Labour would win) - what with this policy being in their manifesto.

twistyizzy · 07/01/2025 20:17

There are many very cross feminists + women at the moment who did vote Labour but the gang rape scenario + the disastrous TikTok post have got them livid.

Araminta1003 · 07/01/2025 20:20

Last minute tactical coalition between Tories and Reform currently looks far more likely than another Labour term. Tories needed to show they embrace change, Farage was always only desperate for respect from his chums and how he saved the country/party. I am assuming Labour have a contingency plan for that likely event?

SheilaFentiman · 07/01/2025 20:34

twistyizzy · 07/01/2025 20:17

There are many very cross feminists + women at the moment who did vote Labour but the gang rape scenario + the disastrous TikTok post have got them livid.

Then that’s not “this policy” ie the VAT that has made them single issue voters…

SheilaFentiman · 07/01/2025 20:36

Araminta1003 · 07/01/2025 20:20

Last minute tactical coalition between Tories and Reform currently looks far more likely than another Labour term. Tories needed to show they embrace change, Farage was always only desperate for respect from his chums and how he saved the country/party. I am assuming Labour have a contingency plan for that likely event?

Next election is four years away. No need for contingencies now

Araminta1003 · 07/01/2025 20:37

Fail to plan, plan to fail

Araminta1003 · 07/01/2025 20:48

Speaking of the devil, he has published an article in the Telegraph today “Imagine going into politics to be driven by such negativity and hatred that all you want to do is punish taxpayers for not burdening the state? In government, we would focus on positively improving state schools, not on making life harder for private schools.”
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/01/07/labour-vat-raid-finishing-off-private-schools/

Farage will jump on every single voter this Labour Government have managed to alienate. And there are plenty already.

Labraradabrador · 07/01/2025 21:35

FloralGums · 07/01/2025 20:09

Labour have a very good chance of getting in at the next election. They are doing a great job of trying to sort out the mess the Tories left education, NHS, councils, social services in.
I don’t know anyone in real life who isn’t really pleased with what Labour are doing.
There are lots of middle class Tories on MN who keep posting about private schools loosing their VAT exemption, but in real life it’s a very popular policy and affects a tiny percentage of people.

Come round my part of the country - don’t know anybody in real life that is happy with what they are seeing from Labour, including Labour voters.

Labraradabrador · 07/01/2025 21:39

SheilaFentiman · 07/01/2025 20:15

But presumably not people who voted Labour (or tactically so that Labour would win) - what with this policy being in their manifesto.

I’ve spoken with several Labour voters who are appalled at how this is being implemented. Some of them expected the party to moderate once in power, some were just focused on other issues for the election but are now waking up to what the reality of Labour’s paper tiger educational programme.

Caps44 · 07/01/2025 22:05

SheilaFentiman · 07/01/2025 20:03

Labour has a significant parliamentary majority and was elected with this policy in their manifesto. Plus the Tories were awful.

It’s a nonsense to spout hyperbole about “zero chance” of re election

Based on current polls, if there was an election today, Labour would have lost ALL its majority.

Caps44 · 07/01/2025 22:07

FloralGums · 07/01/2025 20:09

Labour have a very good chance of getting in at the next election. They are doing a great job of trying to sort out the mess the Tories left education, NHS, councils, social services in.
I don’t know anyone in real life who isn’t really pleased with what Labour are doing.
There are lots of middle class Tories on MN who keep posting about private schools loosing their VAT exemption, but in real life it’s a very popular policy and affects a tiny percentage of people.

Haha….not a chance….they are ruining the country. God help us.