INFANT CLASS SIZE PREJUDICE- YOU CAN WIN!

[custardpants]

I have just won an appeal and overcome the class size prejudice rule, based on inaccuracies on behalf of the council. i suggest to anyone out there, keep fighting you can win and get in contact with your local MP who can also work with you and give you information on how to approach these things. County Councils will tell you there is no point appealing and will say no appeals get upheld on the infant class size prejudice rule. please keep hope, if you have the right information and tackle in the right way you CAN win. I WANTED TO MAKE OTHER PARENTS AWARE THAT IT IS NOT A POINTLESS BATTLE- YOU CAN BEAT THE ADMISSIONS AUTHORITY AS QUITE OFTEN THEY DO NOT IMPLEMENT THE ADMISSION ARRANGEMENTS CORRECTLY, PARENTS ARE NOT GIVEN THIS INFORMATION SO PLEASE REQUEST FROM YOUR LOCAL MP WHO CAN HELP YOU!

I don't understand what this is about. What is the class size prejudice?

And please can you not shout? I can't read it!

I assume class size prejudice is the rule that infant classes should be a max of 30 with one teacher.

So why would you want your child in a class of more than 30 children?

I thought it was a good thing that infant classes were below 30?

I was told at the outstart of a potential appeal, you do not want to be the parent that causes the numbers to go over 30

I dont want your kid in my class if it makes it over 30

sorry

ah but not the parents choice here (the 30 in the class)

good for you on winning your appeal.

I think it is a good thing that parents have grounds for appeal if it is justified. And we would all love for our child to get into the school of our choosing.

But there has to be a cut off point and someone will always be disappointed.

How many appeals will be let through - how big will the class size be allowed to go?

Will it be the case that push the most get their child in? If that is the case then I think the system is still unfair.

sorry should be 'those who push the most'!

So yay, you've won your battle against the faceless bureacracy and your child is now in the school of your choosing. But at what cost? At the cost of an over-stretched teacher and finite resources.

WHAT IS THE CLASS SIZE PREJUDICE RULE????

MY CHILD IS IN A CLASS OF 33.

THE TEACHER IS STRESSED.

THE CLASS IS STRESSED.

NO ONE IS WINNING

YOU'D BETTER NOT BE COMING TO MY SCHOOL.

THERE ARE TOO MANY CHILDREN.

Blimey.

Quite cathartic, this shouting lark.

We won a class size prejudice appeal too. Feels good, doesn't it? I'm not surprised you want to shout about it. Cut the OP some slack, folks, I expect she is just relieved.

All of you people who are having a go at the OP for trying to get her child into the school she wanted - you don't support "choice" then? You think she should have sent the child to a different school? possibly one miles way or one which wasn't suitable?

Every appeal is heard on its own merits so it's not as if having 31 opens the floodgates for 40.

People get terribly anal and obsessive about this "ooh, I don't want my precious child in a class of over 30" stuff. There were 33 in DD's Y1 and I don't remember it exactly causing any problems.

Well done, but I think you need to be careful though, see here

pmsl

Not seen newsArse before. It looks like a British Onion!

Permitted exceptions to the infant class size limit

1. Regulations prescribe the limited circumstances in which pupils may be admitted as exceptions to the infant class size limit. These exceptions are:

o children with statements of special educational needs who are admitted to the school after the normal admission round;
o children moving into the area outside the normal admission round for whom there is no other available school within a reasonable distance. From February 2007 (and subject to Parliamentary approval), legislation will require admission authorities to get LA confirmation that a child falls into this category before admitting them as an permitted exception;
o children admitted outside the normal admission round because the person responsible for making the original decision recognises that an error was made in implementing the school?s admission arrangements and that a place should have been offered;
o children admitted where an admissions appeal panel upholds an appeal;
o from February 2007, where the child is looked after and the local authority which is the corporate parent directs an admission authority to admit the child outside the normal admissions round.

1. In these cases, the child will be an excepted pupil for the remainder of the academic year in which they were admitted unless they could readily be accommodated within another suitable infant class in the particular school. That means that for that period the admission authority would not have to take qualifying measures (e.g. employing an additional teacher) in order to comply with the statutory class size duty.

OP I think you are misleading people a bit

You can ONLY win if the council made a mistake in which case you shouldn't even need an appeal.

lolol at that link MaryBS

I have 30 kids in my KS1 class...and that is way too many. An ideal number with this age group is 24-25...NOT 30...and certainly not more than 30.

I wouldn't fight to get my children into oversized classes- surely that doesn't benefit anyone.

i would relax about 31 in the class - kids leave so it will be 30 very soon I am sure

in my dd school - very popular - two kids left in the first year - people move etc so it will all calm down

the school will have at least one teaching assistant in the class, possibly two - they will manage

newgirl...all infant school classes do not have TA's, in fact too many of them do not have them...only the very lucky teachers have full time TA's...some get a TA for half a day, some for only an hour a day, and some not at all...I have personally never come across TWO TA's in a class...what a luxury that would be!...(unless of course it is for a child who is statemented, in which case that LSA/TA is attached to that child and therefore is not counted into the ratio!)

I personally do not understand why a parent would fight to get their child into an oversuscribed classroom...it does not benefit anyone...least of all their child, as it just means the teacher then has less time to spend with each child.

My class has had 30 all year, and so has my colleagues in my year group...noone has left..so that theory is null and void!!

I would only fight to get my child into an oversized class if there was a very strong reason why this particular child could not attend another school- like a disabled child and no other school with disabled access.

Not just because I wanted my child in the best school- if it gets too full it won't be the best school.

Well, I'm pretty OK with the extra child in my DD's reception class, because if he hadn't got in there, he would have had to go to another village to go to school. 30 is a big reception class. Frankly 31 doesn't make much difference. 24, as it was in DS's time however - now that was better.