Sex and Relationship education for 5-10 year olds.

[webquack]

Hi everyone. I'm looking for mums who are as angry as I am about the current government proposals to introduce compulsory sex and relationship education (SRE)for 5-10 year olds. I am also unashamedly asking for more signatures on the No. 10 website which is asking Gordon Brown to conduct a 12 week public consultation on these proposals so that parents and others can have their say. Britain has the highest teenage pregnancy rate in Europe, and this inspite of decades of sex education in secondary schools. SRE hasn't worked. So what does the government do? They introduce the more SRE! Do you want your five-year-old to be naming body parts, being informed about intimacy and what is and isn't appropriate touching? Do you want your child sexualised at an early age and to lose their innocence any earlier than necessary? If not please join the growing chorus of concerned parents by going to: petitions.number10.gov.uk/Parentchoice

Webquack, you are a boring, ill-informed, ignorant, prejudiced, right-wing troll. Please desist otherwise I will be forced to bum you into next week.

Hi Cory, sorry for the delay - I am fielding alot of posts. In answer to your questions it's ok for teachers to teach biology at the appropriate age - which to me should be around adolescence. Animal reproduction is different to human beause there is no ethical dimension to it. Animals are amoral so to speak. Humans on the other hand are subject to moral laws, one of which is that sex is reserved for a heterosexual, monogamous, lifelong relationship - ideally. It needs to be taught in a moral and ethical context which makes teh boundaries clear. his will not happen in schools because the overarching tenor in our society is humanistic liberalism. There is no clear cut right and wrong.
second, I think stats mean little. How does it go, lies, damn lies and statistics..... If you do a google search you will find other information on the fluctuating state of teenage pregnancy - the gov will only publish that which supports their policies.

no, no you can't ask webquack to desist until she has answered my questions. Which were:

why should we let teachers teach other important subjects with a potential moral dimension to our children but not human biology- what is so special about this subject?

how do you suppose the government have doctored the statistics on teenage pregnancies?

go on webquack, I am holding my breath (and gradually getting blue in the face)

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Brokenrecord - I am not a man tho I am not offended by your thinking so. You ladies must talk amongst yourselves as i have a meeting to go to. Goodbye.

Ok cory removes strap-on - for now...

a meeting of?................

I think we should all guess

Alien abduction society?

David Koresh Fan club?

A meeting webquack? I thought the Union of Fascist Mothers disbanded in the 1930s. Although I suppose the BNP exists for people like you these days

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Cory I sent you my answers but they have not appeared - so here they are agin but shortened! Human reproduction is an ethical and moral issue - unlike animal reproduction.
second, lies, damns lies and statistics. The gov. only tells you what it wants you to know. I believe in being critical and thinking things through for myself. Do a gggle search to read other articles on teenage preganacy.

You wouldn't want to be late to your meeting

Off to meeting. Please do carry on............

TPC, I think I love you

My apologies, cross-posted.

I think history and geography and politics also have a potential moral dimension. Or are you saying that modern history should be understood without recourse to ethics?

The understanding as I see it is that schools teach the facts and families supply the morals.

I don't see why sex should be any different. Or are you saying that ethics are more important to sex than to anything else? Or that you cannot teach the position of the clitoris without telling the pupils how and when to use it?

As far as I can see, the generative parts of the human body are not the only ones that can be put to immoral purposes: at least as much unethical behaviour can be perpetrated by the hands, the mouth and the brain. Should we not tell our children about these either?

Cory, I think if children are given a moral framework for life then they will apply that to each and every subject they study. It is about having an ethical, moral worldview instead of a humanistic, materialistic one. I'm going now - thanks for discussing your points.

webquack on Fri 09-Jan-09 18:38:18
"Cory I sent you my answers but they have not appeared - so here they are agin but shortened! Human reproduction is an ethical and moral issue - unlike animal reproduction.
second, lies, damns lies and statistics. The gov. only tells you what it wants you to know. I believe in being critical and thinking things through for myself."

Myess, but if I recollect correctly you did actually claim that teenage pregnancy rates are rising due to SRE. So I would expect to see some better evidence for this than just oh, but the government claims they're going down and they've got to be lying. Doesn't actually prove that they're rising, does it?

lol sophable - snap

combustible would you like to help me bum webquack into next week? We could engage in some hot girl-on-girl homosexual activity at the same time if you like

webquack on Fri 09-Jan-09 18:44:00
"Cory, I think if children are given a moral framework for life then they will apply that to each and every subject they study."

Well then, studying SRE should be perfectly safe

Good, we don't need a petition. All we need to do as parents is give them a framework and then let them apply that to the subjects studied at school. Which is exactly what most of us have been doing all along. (not to say that you would necessarily approve of the shape of all our frameworks)

OK, just let me fetch my pom-poms and cheerleader outfit. I've not worn it since my last rally to promote homosexuality

If you mums had your heads screwed on you would all sign the petition because ALL it is asking for is a public consultation. So even YOU could have your views aired. Yippee. But don't sign, and you will be steam rollered into accepting WHATEVER those ministers in the House of Horrors prescribe for you.The issue here is not the SRE that has been, but the SRE that will be. This and also the sexual health clinics which the gov. wants to open in every secondary school and college are part of a social experiment - your children will be their guinea pigs. Nice. Mums of girls - your daughter will be able to get pregnancy and STD testing, the morning after pill and an abortion - courtesy of New Labour, and all without you knowing a scrap about it because of New Labour's (again) confidentiality rules. If you as a mum of daughters are ok with that then maybe it is time to leave you to it. The gov is subtly, in fact not so subtly taking away your parental rights and responsibilites and authority. And what do you do about it? Just smile and wave and crack jokes on a website. What a sorry state of affairs.

I hate to point this out to you, but girls can already get pregnancy and STD testing, the morning after pill and an abortion without parental imput. And I'm really glad that they can.

Oh, and btw, if you were offended by the fact I mentioned the gassing of 6 million Jews as being an example of how an atrocity of gigantic proportions could take place with the full knowledge of teh majority, you may be equally staggered to hear that so far 7 million babies have been done away with by abortion - here in the UK - with the full acquiescence of "the majority". So don't give me the "majority is right" argument. I mean how did Hitler get into power if the majority are "right"? Wakey wakey.................

They were foetuses, not babies, yet more inflammatory language.

Every child a wanted child.

I don't acquiesce to it - I agree with the right to termination.

The word you're searching for is 'foetus'.

Well then combustible - I think it's time to end this discussion. if you can be glad about that I think I cannot have an intelligent or meaningful chat with you. You are glad your daughter (have you really got one? It cant be!) can go through all that without you knowing? Sad, very, very sad.