Sex and Relationship education for 5-10 year olds.

[webquack]

Hi everyone. I'm looking for mums who are as angry as I am about the current government proposals to introduce compulsory sex and relationship education (SRE)for 5-10 year olds. I am also unashamedly asking for more signatures on the No. 10 website which is asking Gordon Brown to conduct a 12 week public consultation on these proposals so that parents and others can have their say. Britain has the highest teenage pregnancy rate in Europe, and this inspite of decades of sex education in secondary schools. SRE hasn't worked. So what does the government do? They introduce the more SRE! Do you want your five-year-old to be naming body parts, being informed about intimacy and what is and isn't appropriate touching? Do you want your child sexualised at an early age and to lose their innocence any earlier than necessary? If not please join the growing chorus of concerned parents by going to: petitions.number10.gov.uk/Parentchoice

x-post Lauriefairycake

Yes, children are entitled to confidentiality - all you care about is control

I hope that, when she's older, she will feel that she can talk to me about it. But if she doesn't, I'd rather she had somewhere to go that would give her sound, confidential contraceptive advice, than have her cross her fingers and hope for the best.

Well at least you are considtent in your amoral approach to things. Now I know what i am dealing with. (yawn) Goodnight.

I have plenty of morals thanks - they just don't coincide with yours

How about you learn about back-street abortions/the psychological effect of rape followed by being unable to have an abortion.

Nighty night - sleep tight - hope don't let the bedbugs bite

It'd disappoint you to know that I'm a straight, happily married (for the 1st and only time) woman whose children say please and thank you. So let's pretend I'm a bi crack whore . Sweet dreams.

lol at combustible

Webquack: I am quite aware that you are masturbating frenziedly both while you post and while you read the replies. Perhaps you would like to join in a market research survey about which brands of tissues are the best for mopping up either jizz or gleet (I am not aware that you have posted anything relating to your own gender therefore am making sure all my replies to you are not gender-specific).

Webquack, my dcs won't be learning any of those in school because they go to a catholic school.

And you're definately a man. A deeply unpleasant one, with a deep and bitter hatred of women.

Nametaken - I concur - OP is a boring, boring, BORING bitter little man

[readies strap-on]

DING DONG (loud clanging noise) WAKEY WAKEY ladies and be alert....to the enemy at your gate......

Webquack - it sound as if you have swallowed someone else's philosophies and ideas whole without thinking for yourself. When I said it sounded like a man's arguments that's what I meant.

I agree that the majority view isn't always good or correct - eg Nazi Germany - but that tends to happen when people blindly follow someone else's ideas without thinking or making value judgements of their own.

I think you are aware of doing it at some level, which is why you are projecting that other people are in thrall to New Labour. I and probably most of the posters on this thread have thought this issue through, looked at the statistics, thought about our own exeriences, and then decided what we want to teach our children.

I doubt we'll change your mind, but please have a think about whether you really want to follow someone else's beliefs for your entire life. Please try to think for yourself a little bit.

Here is the government's agenda for your child - note the large boot print on the gov's back from the homosexual lobby who are behind some of the more sinister aspects of the 'benevolent' plans for your sons and daughters.

Premise: someone is out to destroy your children on the altar of MONEY.

1. It starts at conception. Lots of scans, tests, consultants' scratching of chins, umms and ah's - "yes, Mrs, Ms ___ it looks like your baby has a 1 in ...... chance of having Down's Syndrome". (Scratches chin again) "we suggest an amniocentesis - low risk you understand, tho it could trigger a miscarriage." (mutters under breath) must stick to gov. guidelines and tick boxes - Down's babies need extra care - (clang of pennies and pounds) Or how about, "we recommend an abortion - your child has a slight defect in the heart and a hair lip (aside) its expensive to fix hair lips".
2. Next - if baby makes it into the world - mum has to go off to work after 9 or 12 months - after all there's a massive mortgage to pay, thanks to interest rates (cd be history soon!). Hands baby over to a creche (worst case scenario) where it now has to try to 'bond' with a stranger and especially for boys, can cause deep insecurity and feelings of rejection.
3. Next. Nursery at 3. Here begins the subtle diversity agenda for your toddler. "Accepting differences" with Elmer the Elephant, hmm, SOUNDS good. Accepting differences such as gender, race, disability, etc. Nice, nice. But hang on a minute - ahh, enter the Sexual Orientation Bill, demanding that public bodies such as schools, police and councils should be forced to promote 'gay rights'. So in nursery, we have a subtle 'softening up' for what is to come later.........Gay Rights.
4. next. Primary school. Here we will soon be having, amongst other things, compulsory and possibly more graphic SRE. Part of this will be to encourage children to accept homosexuality as OK. I refer you to literature recommended by the gov. for use in primary schools, e.g. 'Daddy's Roommate' In addition they will start to focus on adult topics such as sexual intimacy and will have their attention drawn to genitalia (really helps them to learn reading and writing It is of course cheaper for the gov to provide blanket SRE to all children rather than selecting those whose parents are incapable, unwilling to do it.
5. Next. Secondary school. By now they have got all the 'knowledge' and only need the equipment to prevent making a baby. So- enter the sexual health clinic - proposed for every secondary school - where condoms, the morning after pill, abortion advice and pregnancy and STD testing will be available to your 11 year old- without your knowledge, of course - after all the gov. thinks parents are doff, too doff to raise their own children. BTW only 1 in 4 girls are counselled by nurses to abstain. Also throw in the homosexual bit - please consult the book 'Strange Boy' recommended by New Labour for use in secondary schools.
6. By the time they leave secondary school they should be experienced fornicators. We should see a goodly crop of schoolgirl abortions and childhood STDs.(hmm, could prove to be expensive!)
7. end result - sterility, psychological and emotional damage - possible inability to stick to one partner - blah, blah, unhappy marriage.........blah....divorce...more terminations.....blah, yep, you know what, it DOES get boring just thinking about it.

I'll leave you to imagine the rest......

Dear Brokenrecord, it just so happens these views are my own informed by my knowledge of right and wrong and that human beings are worthy of something better than is currently being dished up to them. There is more but i doubt you would understand. I am married to a man but these are my arguments, not his. He does however agree with me.I am a woman, a mother, I am educated with 2 Masters degrees under my belt and other qualifs. If you must know I am a lecturer and journalist and have travelled widely - and I am not exactly 21 and naive- should I not employ my mind as to how I raise my children as well as to academic essays - which frankly don't often change people's lives. There is a war going on - for our children's lives. I am of the opinion that parents on the whole are the best people to teach SRE to their children. Parents must stand up and be counted, they must closely examine what children are being taught in nurseries and schools. They must become critical and militant to defend their children from wrong influences. Parents will not all agree on how to raise children but to me that is far more aceptable than handing them over to the state to be brainwashed. So, sign the petition, and get your voice heard.

petitions.number10.gov.uk/Parentchoice/

Actually, Webquack, you're an excellent example of what happens to people who are taught that sex is dirty, dangerous and disgusting. They become obsessed with sex, particularly gay sex, and sex involving toys or multiple partners. They can't think about anything else. But because they have been warped by idiotic sex miseducation, instead of going off and finding some willing partners and enjoying lots and lots of hot sweaty anal penetration, they devote all their time to prying into other people's sex lives and fantasizing about more and more horrible punishments they could inflict on other people, you know, whipping and EVEN MORE anal penetration. Sadly these fuckwits do a lot of damage when they are given any authority or power as they will always try to pass on their distorted unhealthy views.

Dear Webquack. Not disputing that you are what you say you are. You don't sound unintelligent either - just a little blinkered pehaps.

I didn't mean you were spouting your husband's arguments - don't know if you are deliberately misunderstanding that point. Could be anyone's views - I just don't believe you came up with them on your own.

How can you 'know' right and wrong BTW? That is a little naive for someone with such education - it has exercised the minds of some of the greatest thinkers and few would dare to say they 'know' it.

could i just ask why WebQuack is still able to post here?
im sure that it is against the rules to be such a complete twunt?
oh is it not? well then it should be.

but it is against the rules to spout such homophobic rubbish surely? UCM was asked to leave because of her own racist rantings even though she was able to post quite rationally most of the time....so why is it that this ignoramous is able to continue posting such offensive things and stay?

Perhaps because WQ is unwittingly doing such great work for liberalising everone's views Mamazon

You're a 'journalist' with two masters degrees ?

Oh, that explains the inflammatory views and trying to get points of view for an article

May I direct you to the media requests part of Mumsnet. It's on the front page. Please go through the correct channels for getting views for your article.

Just look out for the stinky stuff coming out of Westminster aka The House of Horrors. Don't say no one warned you..........

seriously? your a journo? from that last comment im wondering if it's the Beano you work for

Well, brokenrecord I did say you would find something about me difficult to accept - but it is on these (unnamed) grounds that I assert right and wrong so strongly. Yes, academics are often amongst the worst when it comes to immorality - remember those bonking professors of yesteryear? Their minds implode with knowledge sometimes. And knowledge and wisdom are two different things.

Webquack, try adjusting your nipple clamps andsitting down more firmly on your buttplug.

Have a nice day!