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Is this fraud and what to do.

329 replies

froggola · 19/05/2025 12:01

Please no judgement. DH and I have been living apart for a couple of years but still together. Me and kids will move back into with him in September.
When applying for reception place I put his address as our main residence. I also didn’t say DS goes to nursery. As the nursery he goes to would prove that my house not in the borough is his main residence. I know that is wrong but I made the decision in a moment when filling in the form….Ds got offered a place and now school want a home visit. It’s feeling really stressful. What’s the plan? To go there and fake I already live there? Withdraw the application? It’s making me feel uneasy. I’d appreciate honest advice. I wasn’t intentionally deceitful, but I was. by omitting information and lying about my address. …which will be my address by September. If it makes any difference I’m on the deeds and have owned the house got a decade…

OP posts:
5128gap · 19/05/2025 14:37

I think the address is fine. Your DDs equal parent lives there and soon you all will, so I don't see you've done anything wrong. The nursery business is a bit trickier as this will matter and if you don't put this right you'll find yourself having to tell further lies going forward and worrying your DS will reveal the truth. If I were you I'd say you put no as at the time you were considering taking him our of nursery, but changed your mind. If they then question the location explain you were temporarily living there for personal reasons.

SheilaFentiman · 19/05/2025 14:37

Look, facts from my LEA, no jealousy...

Where a child resides at more than one address, the address to be used should be where the child lives for the majority of the time, either by private arrangement or as stipulated in a child arrangement order. Where the child spends an equal time between different addresses, it will be up to the parent/carers to agree which address to use.

froggola · 19/05/2025 14:39

Dunnop · 19/05/2025 14:30

The LA will find out and hunt you down in a game of cat and mouse. They have extensive teams of investigators who go through things like your Nectar points to see where you shop.
They will build a case and you’ll be subject of a dawn raid, taken to the tower and later publicly flogged at the school’s PTA event.
Modern flogging is usually a wet sponge thrown at you.
People will jeer and boo, and talk about you behind your back for years in the class WhatsApp group that you’re excluded from. Neighbours will shun you.
Birds will shit over your clothes on the washing line.
Neighbour dogs will shit on your lawn.
God will punish you by making you stub your toe more often.
Mark my words, you’re dooooomed!
Or, not much will happen and some of the above will happen anyway. Watch your toes.

I’m laughing.

OP posts:
cordeliavorkosigan · 19/05/2025 14:40

My experience is limited but I did not find that the LA did anything at all around blatant fiddling of any address under the sun to get DC into schools. As a result we missed on our top choice by a very few metres and walked much farther to a school with a poor rating. Eventually we moved to yet another school when dd2 got a place there, and all was well. Dd1 thriving now nearing end of secondary.
Op will be fine. No, they do not usually or all have teams investigating and if they did they would find op had her name on the deeds and drop it there.

cordeliavorkosigan · 19/05/2025 14:41

And yes. Birds will shit 😆

FuckityFux · 19/05/2025 14:41

How is it fraud when the child has two homes and other parent is already living there?
Honestly, some folk love to shit stir unnecessarily. 😂

TwoFeralKids · 19/05/2025 14:43

Pull the other one, OP.

Midlands7283 · 19/05/2025 14:47

froggola · 19/05/2025 12:21

I don’t know if it’s over subscribed. So I should contact the school or the council and tell them?

Look it up on your LA website. It will show September admissions details for all schools. If it isn’t oversubscribed then it really isn’t an issue because anyone who applied should have got a place regardless of where they lived.

withgraceinmyheart · 19/05/2025 14:47

FuckityFux · 19/05/2025 14:41

How is it fraud when the child has two homes and other parent is already living there?
Honestly, some folk love to shit stir unnecessarily. 😂

This has been answered by several posters. Most LEAs require to use the child’s ’primary residence’ which is where they live they live the majority of the time. In a 50/50 arrangement ours says to use the address where they wake the majority of school mornings ie Monday to Friday. If that’s a 50/50 split you can choose.

You really can’t just put whichever house you like down.

CatHairEveryWhereNow · 19/05/2025 14:48

Most LA have guidelines as to which address they accept if parents live apart.

I lived in one that could be either at one point - don't know if it's been changed since.

There was a lad at the overscubscirbed secondary school who got in local papers and it mentioned his Mum address outside catchment he was y 7 I think - they had people writing in complaining to council and paper. There was a letter in next week paper stating then council rule either parents address could be used and his Dad lived in catchment at time of application and now.

The OP living there from September - her names are on the deeds and the dad there already - I not sure the council or school will do much here now.

If you can't move in now - decline the home visist or do it at Dad's house.

I think I'd have avoided the worry and asked or read council rules and then struggled for years with a futher away primary school.

PeapodMcgee · 19/05/2025 14:48

I would not feel one iota of guilt about this, it's your family home and you'll all be living there when it matters.

Someone2025 · 19/05/2025 14:52

FuckityFux · 19/05/2025 14:41

How is it fraud when the child has two homes and other parent is already living there?
Honestly, some folk love to shit stir unnecessarily. 😂

The shit stirrers are the women jealous because they can’t do the same, I can guarantee you each and every commenter on here trying to frighten the OP would have done exactly the same if they were in her position…..vile little trolls

Dunnop · 19/05/2025 14:55

cordeliavorkosigan · 19/05/2025 14:41

And yes. Birds will shit 😆

OP can also expect spiders to come out in the daytime to rub their willies on her washing too. She doesn’t even need it be darked on.
The animal kingdom will be against her. Like a reverse Disney Princess.
Look out for squirrels @froggola They are nasty gossips. Their beady eyes watching you. If you leave them some nuts, they may speak up in your defence at the animal council meeting with the LA investigation teams.
Your DH will find his turds don’t flush first time either. He’ll be leaving skid marks in his undercrackers every time he farts.
Your child, if invited at all, will be the only child without a party bag at a class party, and will be given a tiny piece of squished cake with the icing mushed into a paper towel.
You may step on Lego left on the stairs by the house spiders.
Actions have consequences.

SheilaFentiman · 19/05/2025 14:55

Someone2025 · 19/05/2025 14:52

The shit stirrers are the women jealous because they can’t do the same, I can guarantee you each and every commenter on here trying to frighten the OP would have done exactly the same if they were in her position…..vile little trolls

what a lot of poppycock

treesandsun · 19/05/2025 14:56

Home visits aren't compulsory however I wonder if refusing one it sparks more interest than just having it in the first place. Turn it down,. the purpose of them can't really be fulfilled in the 20 minutes or so that they have allocated .You'll need to make sure that your husband passes on any post that comes to that address because that's The address they will use and if you ignore that that might draw suspicion.
As crimes go it's not exactly up there.

Calmdownpeople · 19/05/2025 15:04

BoleynMemories13 · 19/05/2025 12:18

Unfortunately, owning the house makes no difference. The address on the application needs to be the child's main residence at that moment in time.

Absolutely we all have heard of stories (and the reason they cracked down) on parents ‘renting’ a bedsit to be in school area to get into catchment and then leaving that place to go back ‘home’. It isn’t fair to those legitimately in catchment.

NorthernLoon · 19/05/2025 15:04

SheilaFentiman · 19/05/2025 13:15

Yes, that’s exactly how it works, and you update the council when you have your new address, which likely moves you up waiting lists for your new area.

Well, that seems like a massive bureaucratic waste of time to me. Why process two applications when you could just process one? Seems far more sensible to apply where you're actually going to be living, rather than first applying to a school you've no intention of going to, and then having a mad scramble at the last minute to change your application to a school that's local to where you actually live / risk your child missing the first few weeks of school because their alloted place is at the other end of the country!

dogcatkitten · 19/05/2025 15:05

Have the home visit at DH's house and say you will all be living there permanently from September (if any query arises, which it may not) and presumably he stays with his dad sometimes currently. Can you all just start staying there weekends at least so it really is at least partly your current residence and your DS won't mis-speak about it and looks at home there not acting like a visitor. Hopefully it won't be a big problem, but I can see it would be a bit of a disaster if your DS loses his place so I would say whatever was necessary, while saying as little as possible about the current living arrangements.

Hoppinggreen · 19/05/2025 15:06

Dunnop · 19/05/2025 14:30

The LA will find out and hunt you down in a game of cat and mouse. They have extensive teams of investigators who go through things like your Nectar points to see where you shop.
They will build a case and you’ll be subject of a dawn raid, taken to the tower and later publicly flogged at the school’s PTA event.
Modern flogging is usually a wet sponge thrown at you.
People will jeer and boo, and talk about you behind your back for years in the class WhatsApp group that you’re excluded from. Neighbours will shun you.
Birds will shit over your clothes on the washing line.
Neighbour dogs will shit on your lawn.
God will punish you by making you stub your toe more often.
Mark my words, you’re dooooomed!
Or, not much will happen and some of the above will happen anyway. Watch your toes.

OR this child could lose their school place, have to apply as a late applicant and get a school they don't want
Depends on what checks her LEA does and what their policies are
And of course if anyone finds out

SpiritAdder · 19/05/2025 15:07

I don’t think it is fraud. Your DC have two addresses, yours and their dad’s.
It is perfectly legit to use whichever address matches where they will be living while attending the school you are applying for.

Notyomama · 19/05/2025 15:09

Total non-issue. There is no crime here and no one would give one little shit about it if they knew. LAs have many better things to do than to bother with a slight ommission on a school application form.

Someone2025 · 19/05/2025 15:10

SheilaFentiman · 19/05/2025 14:55

what a lot of poppycock

Dear, it’s not poppycock at all, don’t be naive, most of the commenters berating the OP would do everything in their power to get their little darlings into their desired school and would have done exactly what the OP did if they were in her position

Fluffyc1ouds · 19/05/2025 15:12

I don't think this is that bad. It's his dad's house and he will be living there full time with you when he starts school so you haven't taken the piss. Can you decline the home visit? Or book it in so you've ticked the box and then cancel nearer the time? As for nursery, my son went to one an hour from home as it was more convenient so don't worry about that.

Hoppinggreen · 19/05/2025 15:14

Someone2025 · 19/05/2025 14:52

The shit stirrers are the women jealous because they can’t do the same, I can guarantee you each and every commenter on here trying to frighten the OP would have done exactly the same if they were in her position…..vile little trolls

I would certainly have done the same and I am sure as hell not jealous or a troll and I don't see why you would think anyone else on here is either.

Some people who are slightly hard of thinking seem to be unable to tell the difference between people who WANT OP to get into trouble and have the childs school place removed (of which there don't seem to be any) and those of us warning that this could be a possibility so she should probably keep quiet
Whether this is fraud (as per OP's question) is not a matter of opinion its fact.
If OP wanted 100% "you do you Hun" type answers maybe she should have phrased the question differently

ThatSchoolOfficeLady · 19/05/2025 15:17

You've done nothing wrong. Have the home visit at your partner's house which will be your child's main residence when they start school.