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Is this fraud and what to do.

329 replies

froggola · 19/05/2025 12:01

Please no judgement. DH and I have been living apart for a couple of years but still together. Me and kids will move back into with him in September.
When applying for reception place I put his address as our main residence. I also didn’t say DS goes to nursery. As the nursery he goes to would prove that my house not in the borough is his main residence. I know that is wrong but I made the decision in a moment when filling in the form….Ds got offered a place and now school want a home visit. It’s feeling really stressful. What’s the plan? To go there and fake I already live there? Withdraw the application? It’s making me feel uneasy. I’d appreciate honest advice. I wasn’t intentionally deceitful, but I was. by omitting information and lying about my address. …which will be my address by September. If it makes any difference I’m on the deeds and have owned the house got a decade…

OP posts:
Stickortwigs · 19/05/2025 13:51

Mumsnet gets in a froth about things like this but it’s owned and lived in by a parent, it will be where your son is living in September.

Honestly visits are about helping your child meet the teacher. They aren’t there to validate the admin. They are there to meet your child and get to know them before term starts.

Just be at the house and meet the teacher. It doesn’t need to be discussed how much time you spend there. At this point it’s a safe and familiar meeting point. Which assuming your partner lives there is.

Don’t overthink it. x

Frateletheboss · 19/05/2025 13:51

Hoppinggreen · 19/05/2025 13:49

The question is where is the child registered for the purposes of GP, Child benefit etc
OP will probably get away with it so no point in self reporting and Home Visits are optional

"get away with it"
Like putting the wrong address which she will live in soon anyway is a murder crime 😂 some of the comments here are funny

Endofyear · 19/05/2025 13:54

Is it normal to have home visits now before a child starts school? I never had this with any of my 5 children 😳 I would arrange the home visit at DHs address and explain to the teacher that you've had a temporary separation and will be living at the address once your older child finishes this term. I can't see why the school would have a problem with that.

SheilaFentiman · 19/05/2025 13:55

Endofyear · 19/05/2025 13:54

Is it normal to have home visits now before a child starts school? I never had this with any of my 5 children 😳 I would arrange the home visit at DHs address and explain to the teacher that you've had a temporary separation and will be living at the address once your older child finishes this term. I can't see why the school would have a problem with that.

Quite often teachers will visit the children at their nurseries (and knock off several kids in one visit) but OP did not list the nursery her child attends.

Escapingagain · 19/05/2025 13:58

But it’s your husbands home and your son lives there sometimes I guess. Just do the home visit with you and his dad there. If anyone asks you can explain your moving back in once the summer term ends for your older child.

Blackdow · 19/05/2025 13:59

Your son has two homes. His parents were, at the time, split up and he had two homes. You picked one and used that. But why did you fill in the forms? Your husband should have done all that as he was the one living there, and his child also has a home there.

Genevieva · 19/05/2025 13:59

Children with parents who live apart can have more than one residence and apply to schools based on either parent’s address.

femfemlicious · 19/05/2025 14:00

froggola · 19/05/2025 12:16

I know. It’s making me feel unwell. I WILL be living there. It is my house. But I was not living in it , nor was DS. I did what i thought was best at the time but now with the home visit it’s all feeling insane.

Stop worrying. Your ds lives there sometimes?. Just go there and you don't have to say if you live there or not!

TheCurious0range · 19/05/2025 14:00

Make sure your child has a bedroom set up there, we were warned teachers may ask to see the bedroom, DS' teacher didn't for us but did for others in the class.

LIZS · 19/05/2025 14:01

It is fraud because you/dc were not resident at the time of application and stated so to get a place. Whether anyone will question that and whether that means the offer is withdrawn is a matter of time. Did you have to provide any evidence of address? What provision have you made for elder ds?

Blackdow · 19/05/2025 14:01

Your husband can do the home visit with your son; you don’t need to be there. Quite a simple, “we are currently separate so she isn’t here. Want to see son’s bedroom?”

No lies required. It’s your husband’s home. And your son’s other home; he has two. It will be yours if you go ahead with the reconciliation but that doesn’t matter. It’s your son having a home there that matters.

Hoppinggreen · 19/05/2025 14:01

Frateletheboss · 19/05/2025 13:51

"get away with it"
Like putting the wrong address which she will live in soon anyway is a murder crime 😂 some of the comments here are funny

It wasn't the wrong address though, that suggests she forgot where she lived
Opinions don't really matter, what matters is was this fraud according to her LEA's definition of it when it comes to school applications and as she put an address down the child dosn't live at then It WAS fraud, but its not a huge deal and she is LIKELY TO GET AWAY WITH IT

femfemlicious · 19/05/2025 14:02

Hoppinggreen · 19/05/2025 13:49

The question is where is the child registered for the purposes of GP, Child benefit etc
OP will probably get away with it so no point in self reporting and Home Visits are optional

It doesn't matter!. The child lives there as well!

Frateletheboss · 19/05/2025 14:04

Hoppinggreen · 19/05/2025 14:01

It wasn't the wrong address though, that suggests she forgot where she lived
Opinions don't really matter, what matters is was this fraud according to her LEA's definition of it when it comes to school applications and as she put an address down the child dosn't live at then It WAS fraud, but its not a huge deal and she is LIKELY TO GET AWAY WITH IT

"fraud" is a strong word. It's the dads address whether she lives with him or not is irrelevant the kid has two parents and both addresses are valid, how do you think divorced couples cope with stuff like this?

Schools do not give a single shit about stuff like this they have hundreds of kids on their rolls some of who are getting abused and neglected at home

Hoppinggreen · 19/05/2025 14:04

femfemlicious · 19/05/2025 14:02

It doesn't matter!. The child lives there as well!

It may well matter if The LEA have certain criteria for whether a child lives somwhere or not in official terms and for the purposes of th application.
I recognise at least one of the names on here who has extensive exprience in school applications and they says it IS fraud so I am pretty confident it is
Hopefully nobody will notice and it will be ok

Andoutcomethewolves · 19/05/2025 14:07

Honestly chill out. The home visit will be cursory, they're not going to check if you have pants and bras in the bedroom. You're doing what's right for your child, Jesus some PPs are so uptight

cordeliavorkosigan · 19/05/2025 14:08

You are overthinking. It's a complicated living and relationship situation, as a pp said, and you will be living at the address and you own it already.
Decline the home visit for now, as you are away at the moment, and set it up for September.
The irony is that it's not considered fraud to rent for 8 months to get the school place, then move to wherever. Oversubscribed schools have loads of this going on especially in affluent areas.

Boreded · 19/05/2025 14:10

It’s fine. Don’t worry about it.

Someone2025 · 19/05/2025 14:12

dairydebris · 19/05/2025 12:20

Honestly I don't see the problem. Just move in with your partner early. And stop with the faux naivety.

Exactly!

Someone2025 · 19/05/2025 14:15

LIZS · 19/05/2025 14:01

It is fraud because you/dc were not resident at the time of application and stated so to get a place. Whether anyone will question that and whether that means the offer is withdrawn is a matter of time. Did you have to provide any evidence of address? What provision have you made for elder ds?

The child has two homes, I think either address can be used, whichever is most suitable, some women on here are just trying to worry the OP, probably out of jealousy that their child didn’t get into the school that they wanted

LIZS · 19/05/2025 14:22

Someone2025 · 19/05/2025 14:15

The child has two homes, I think either address can be used, whichever is most suitable, some women on here are just trying to worry the OP, probably out of jealousy that their child didn’t get into the school that they wanted

Most LA have guidelines as to which address they accept if parents live apart. If op ds attends nursery in other town, it suggests he lives there more of the time.

SheilaFentiman · 19/05/2025 14:25

Someone2025 · 19/05/2025 14:15

The child has two homes, I think either address can be used, whichever is most suitable, some women on here are just trying to worry the OP, probably out of jealousy that their child didn’t get into the school that they wanted

It's rather sexist to assume that women are motivated by emotion rather than legal/administrative truths

NeedToChangeName · 19/05/2025 14:28

Fupoffyagrasshole · 19/05/2025 13:46

how is it fraud if the dad lives there - isn't that the child's home too

My child goes to a nursery in a different borough than the school because i work in the other borough so she comes with me!

the school never questioned that.

Where I live, school places are allocated based on child's primary home

If true 50 / 50 arrangement, then either parent's address can be used

Dunnop · 19/05/2025 14:30

The LA will find out and hunt you down in a game of cat and mouse. They have extensive teams of investigators who go through things like your Nectar points to see where you shop.
They will build a case and you’ll be subject of a dawn raid, taken to the tower and later publicly flogged at the school’s PTA event.
Modern flogging is usually a wet sponge thrown at you.
People will jeer and boo, and talk about you behind your back for years in the class WhatsApp group that you’re excluded from. Neighbours will shun you.
Birds will shit over your clothes on the washing line.
Neighbour dogs will shit on your lawn.
God will punish you by making you stub your toe more often.
Mark my words, you’re dooooomed!
Or, not much will happen and some of the above will happen anyway. Watch your toes.

Megifer · 19/05/2025 14:35

Could DS stay with your DH til September?

Or just refuse the home visit?

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