SATS results

[miccoops]

For anyone interested.. the raw scores required for an age expected score (100 and above scaled score) are on this link, published today

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1087928/2022_key_stage_2_scaled_score_tables.pdf

The Reading paper was down to 24 out of 50 raw score for a age expected .. that definitely lower than previous years.. backs up the feedback that it was a challenging paper. Waiting for my sons results from school later this week..

Thank you, that was exactly what I was thinking/feeling.

DD is not going to grammar school and in the 110+ bracket. Indeed she's going to the less academically focus of the local secondaries as the pastoral care is better (rather than a focus on removal of any element of individuality combined with raging bullying issues at the local "outstanding" hell hole).

My DD is actually going to grammar school, though as many people have said that does depend entirely where you live (as to whether there actually are any!)

She got 120,120,119. Obviously she got my brains ... 😜

@snellgrove lol- i say this to my husband all the time, he doesn't like it

I guess SATs are a baseline indicator for secondaries and GSCEs. But the best secondaries are the ones that add value to those base indicators.

I feel like our Y6s missed some reasonably key cementing of learning in Y3 and 4, so a good secondary should be able to improve their SATs scores.

My Dd didn't get into (super-selective) grammar but only had a bit of Maths tutoring and still just scraped into GD in her SATs so obviously wasn't ever going to make it. I hope setting at secondary will be beneficial for her.

@CoffeeWithCheese Had you not applied for grammar school for your dd?

The 'problem' with that reasoning is across the country they all had disrupted years, and GCSEs are graded on a curve, so even if all secondary schools add value that may not actually be seen in overall better GCSE results. iyswim?

However any individual child can beat the stats by good work ethic for the 5 years of secondary, good schooling and if needed extra support.

"though as many people have said that does depend entirely where you live (as to whether there actually are any!)"

As so many parents reported 115+ for all subjects in Mumsnet, and probability wise 115+ for all subjects are some where top 5% of all the year 6. So I guess it depends on which forum mums on too.

The SATs are also graded in the same way. They say they aren't (so that they can claim improvements) but they've also said that about GCSEs before and all the exact same things happen including shifting boundaries.

@twistyizzy the Trafford area is also relatively wealthy. So high prevalence of tutors in Y3-6 Add in super selective grammars and parents doing tons at home. I've had loads of Trafford friends whose bright children can't get in grammars as not tutored for months so the local comps are good too. If makes me so angry when the press say Trafford primaries are excellent (results) yet ignore the fact that it's the rich that excel

Mumsnet education boards are skewed towards high achieving kids.
If you go onto the GCSE threads where there is talk of predicted or actual results the number getting 7-9s is disproportionate compared those getting grades 4-6.

It is a reporting bragging bias not mumsnet lurker bias.

I know what you mean Llan but I do think it might be an actual bias on the MN education boards.

Start a thread about a specific small London prep school and you get 1000 replies.
Start a thread about say Hampshire schools/colleges and you get 100.
Start a thread about a northern school and you're lucky to get 20.

It ripples on. Very few parents of T-Level/BTEC students. Probably more on the aspiring Oxbridge or Medics threads.

I agree though it is probably off putting for lurkers. If a child got 102, 100, 97, lots of parents might decide not to join a thread where a majority are reporting 110+. It's a shame.

"Start a thread about a specific small London prep school and you get 1000 replies."

It is not high achieving kids, but mums with high expectations.

Agree on MN has certain demographic bias.

Of nearly 9,000 year 6 pupils in my county, just over 700 scored above 115 in reading and grammar and nearly 400 in maths. I think they're all on Mumsnet!

Agree with you completely. We are North East and when I posted 2 years ago about potential private school I got 5 replies. If I had wanted info on London private schools I'm sure I would have got 100s of replies.
Mumsnet is most definitely London-centric.

@spanieleyes 🤣

Mine definitely had reading marks affected by the difficult paper. Didnt finish it. Still scrapped a exceeded. Even the maths needed fewer marks this year for same scaled score.
I think issue with reading is that it was uneven as the length was a surprise so no practise for the speed side.
If a kid of same ability did finish then their marks wwre of the 50 but as mine didnt it was out of in theory just 47/48. With no time to check.
A child i know did much better than was expected as they get extra time.
Im not sure the reading will have much affect though as my dc only got met for writing so if that is averaged for prediction that brings it down a lot.
For those that finished it has moved them up the scale.
She had 113/115 at ks1 so i was expecting higher than shes got at ks2.
However im not convinced she will do amazing at eng lang in secondary as the skills are very different.

Is this definitely right? My child scored above 115 in all sats yet didn't get past the first round of testing for ,the admittedly super selective, grammar where we live. Nor did he pass the test fir the top independent schools. So I assumed plenty of children must be scoring highly.

Yes, definitely right! Obviously different counties will have different results ( we are not generally considered a high performing county) and the national results are not out yet so I can't give figures for those. We do have access to the NCER ( so results from c 150 local authorities who take part)

Reading- from 650000 pupils who took the tests, 72,000 scored over 115
Grammar was 75000 and maths was 48000.

That's 11%, 11.5% and 7% respectively!

From 2018 data say 113 i n maths is top 10%
But that is nationwide.
some schools 60% get exceeding for maths.
the sats maths actually isnt that hard once they have covered it.
dc could have got 120 if more accurate.
whereas the level 6 sats from.before would have stretched her.
so maybe the grammar tests are much harder?
i would think grammar kids would also do well at sat s not necessarily good sat predict getting in.
but then more getting into grammar wi ll have had paid tutoring.
both mine and her friend exceeded without external tutors.
a big factor is age within year and obviously that helps get into grammar too.
Tutoring would also help with speed.
Many kids and parents put less effort into sats as they dont realise the importance.
the range even in dd class is huge. Dd wasnt in during any lockdowns.

but some of her class did no work at home. And one has still exceeded. So al! the revision has helped. But i would say their results dont refect ability to keep up with new content.

Some have gone private so they would have been tutored.
Dd and friend have bever been given exceeding on reports previously. So school underestimated abilty or compared to their able cohort.

Ds got 110 for spag and maths, and 112 reading with 'at expectations' for writing and science.
His teacher report shows exceeding expectations across the board (even music - he plays no instrument!) apart from writing.

Relaxed school regarding sats (unlike other school in the area, we were not asked to do papers at home, or extra homework).

Ds wanted to sit 11+, without tutoring. Super selective area. He came 230 children below the pass mark (about 1000 didn't pass).

I expect in his class circa 50% will have reached 110 + judging on where he says he is in the class.

He'll be going to a secondary school with a poor progress score, and a fairly unambitious feel. I think I'll consider a tutor for him to improve his handwriting and writing skills. His handwriting is very untidy, despite trying very hard to improve it...

Combined all three over 115 will be less than 5%

My daughter got 118 in maths and 119 for SPAG and Reading. We're in Yorkshire. She's going to a nearby selective school, it's target students are the top quartile, we're not talking superselective. Back in September I spent a handful of hours with her doing the free practice assessments for the 11+, she didn't have any formal tutoring. I don't think the 11+ experience had any impact on SATs. We did do quite a few of the SATs busters 10 minute tests in the preparation booklet school gave out, and they had an online account for SPAG.com through school. I think the repetition helped increase the SPAG score a bit, I don't think it had much impact on reading or maths for her.