SATS results

[miccoops]

For anyone interested.. the raw scores required for an age expected score (100 and above scaled score) are on this link, published today

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1087928/2022_key_stage_2_scaled_score_tables.pdf

The Reading paper was down to 24 out of 50 raw score for a age expected .. that definitely lower than previous years.. backs up the feedback that it was a challenging paper. Waiting for my sons results from school later this week..

We are in an 11+ area but just verbal and non verbal tests are used. There is some correlation between GD and success in 11+ but probably not as much as in areas where English and maths are part of the 11+ process- simply because the brighter children do better in both!

@Iamnotthe1 I can assure you that most of the curriculum had not been taught in DDs state primary by January! They taught most of it January-April hence why we had to get a tutor.

That's why I asked the question, to see if my feeling was borne out, or not, in real life.

We have 48% greater depth reading - 46% last year. Inner city primary, 23% pupil premium and 38% EAL.

31 kids, two SEND who didn’t access tests. No grammar schools and no tutors

This SAT result will easily put in top 20 primary school in London. So it is definitely a very higher end of the spectrum.

Not London. And still under forced academisation, even though we are consistently in the top 20% of the country.

Based on the result alone is top 3% of the country I have to say.

And typical characteristic of these primary schools are near major university city or town.

It depends on more than this and the metric used. A school could have 65% GD in Reading but if the expected or above is at 82% then the school wouldn't be in the top 3%.

Some ranking systems work it out as combined EXS then combined GDs, sometimes by average scaled scores, sometimes by combined average scaled scores, etc. It's not consistent to be honest.

Youngest just sat them this year. 98 reading, 107 grammar and 100 maths. He has adhd and has been “failing” in primary school for the 5 years prior to this school year when he finally got access to medication. He’ll be going to the local comprehensive. Middle child is 4 years older and went to a grammar with 118, 117 and 120 respectively. Eldest also went to grammar school, got 106 reading, 112 grammar and 119 maths, he is waiting for A level results to confirm his place at Oxford. None of my kids have had tutoring, but we are in the north and not in the crazy London 11+ system. Sats mean nothing about future performance; what means more is going beyond what you are taught or spoon-fed in school, asking questions and getting that greater depth of knowledge yourself. Being interested in things and using your own initiative to further that knowledge.

We are definitely NOT a university town or city!

Sats mean nothing about future performance; what means more is going beyond what you are taught or spoon-fed in school, asking questions and getting that greater depth of knowledge yourself. Being interested in things and using your own initiative to further that knowledge.

I'm not sure I agree.

If a child has had good teaching, and has tried hard and still 'only' got 95-100 then it is a pretty good indicator that they are unlikely to get a host of 7+ at GCSE. Obviously if there is an undiagnosed SEN, or poor teaching / effort that is maybe different.

Of course other things impact attainment but as a cohort SATs scores aren't an unreasonable indicator as to where things are headed. Furthermore an enquiring child is likely to have shown that at primary already.

"Sats mean nothing about future performance"

It certainly has some predicting power, most of the secondary school use it as baseline for GCSE targets.

Consistently over 40% at GD many years is definitely not an "average" stage school, must have some demographic information that can explain the distinctly difference, otherwise DfE will have a much easier problem to solve.

@GivingItAWhirl but SATS can be a predictor about future performance hence why they are used. Obviously they are not the only determinor but they can provide a rough prediction.
An engaged, enquiring child will probably already have demonstrated those attributes at primary school.

My DS scored 109 for maths, 106 for SPAG and 101 for reading. Pretty consistent with mocks, maths a little higher. We did a lot of help at home with reading .. 3 sets of SAT busters and he’s had a tutor since year 5 for comprehension.. he struggles with it so much so massively proud of his 101.. he’s been borderline expected standard for English since year 2. He’s not academic unlike my DD but worked hard and we’re proud of what he achieved. I expect he might need an English tutor at secondary school but it’s a big move so want to see how he settles first.

Last year was roughly 20% GD in maths and reading so quite a difference this year ( mind you, last year 30% of the cohort were SEN!)
Honest, we are a bog standard state primary in an area of relative deprivation, our progress measure this year for reading is 3.9 and 2.9 for maths. Last year it was 1.7 and 1.9. There are no demographic differences to account for it, just a good cohort who have worked hard!

SATS are used as a pretty consistent data point for tracking expected GCSEs.

My daughter got 120 for spag, 119 for reading and 113 for maths and she’s at a state school and we did no prep or revision at home. However, her school worked them really hard and put a lot of pressure on. It felt like the whole of year 6 was about SATS and we were relieved when it was over.

She’ll be going to a good state secondary school in Sept.

My sons school did too! It was all about SATs and even in the teachers strikes, Year 6 was expected in. As soon as SATs out the way, they weren't welcome in on the teachers strikes.

My eldest was predicted grades 6-7 for his GCSE’s from his sats. He got 8’s and 9’s at GCSE and is predicted 4 x A star for his A level. He found the focus of sat prep in year 6 off-putting and did not really enjoy that last year. It may have some indication of future performance, but it isn’t something that should be relied on or used as a comparison throughout high school. Some local schools to us use it to say whether or not you get access to higher level papers at gcse, if you get into higher tier sets or not, access to further maths - they certainly shouldn’t have this level of importance to a child’s education.

@twistyizzy I live near Trafford which has v popular grammars. Tutoring is a massive industry, scarily so. Huge % tutored through Y4/5
Trafford primaries get high SATs.
Zero coincidence.

Have you used something specific to get your progress scores? I've submitted data to FFT but won't get any analysis through until Friday.

We use perspective lite, almost instant! Just has county averages in some cases but national ones come through fairly quickly too.