sen and one to one

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SpinningFloppa · 21/09/2022 18:19

No my children’s school funded her 1:1 until she got her ehcp

hiredandsqueak · 21/09/2022 18:24

There are options for the school to secure funding whilst they wait for the EHCP to go through. In our area it's called TAPS or GRIP but suspect that might be LA specific. Have you or school requested an EHC needs assessment? If not you should do so asap. You could contact the Inclusion team at the LA and explain the difficulties you are experiencing with the school.

Thatsnotmycar · 21/09/2022 18:28

Unless you want to EHE you don’t have to, and you don’t have to provide 1:1 either. If the school needs more funding whilst awaiting an EHCP they can apply for high needs top up funding.

Whatchoice · 21/09/2022 18:31

They can ask you to be his 1:1 while they recruit someone but it is rather cheeky on their part, not best practice, not 'normal', and you can absolutely say no.

It is reasonable for you to want to keep him at home or on a reduced timetable until the school has a plan for meeting his needs. They should be discussing the best way to approach this with you, not threatening to take him off the school roll.

It sounds a bit as if the school are not very well clued up about how to support a child in a situation like your son's, and as if they are flailing around hoping the problem will disappear. This may mean they will not support him well in the long run, or it may just be a bit of clumsiness on their part as they try to work out what to do in a situation that is new to them. I have limited patience for this but I have seen it work out well, personally, so it may be worth reserving judgement.

If they suggested a reduced timetable that was acceptable to you and supported you to apply for an Education and Health needs assessment, that would be the appropriate route.

There will be a SEND helpline for your local authority, probably with a name like SENDIASS. It would be worth calling them first thing tomorrow, describing the situation, and asking for their input.

unicormb · 21/09/2022 18:36

Chilena2022 · 21/09/2022 18:18

my son is 4 years old and at the moment I need to home educated him because the school can’t meet his needs and they ask me to be his one to one until they get funding. I refused to be his one to one and I am not sending him to school.
This morning the headteacher said if I don’t send my child to school they will remove his name.
I really lost about what this schools wants?
and it is normal for parents of sen children to be asked to be their one to one of the children until they get funding?

They're being absolute cheeky fuckers.

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Chilena2022 · 21/09/2022 18:40

my son is not allowed even to go part time, they said for his safety i need to be his one to one until the school has the funding . I told the Senco that i refused to be his one to one then she told me to keep him at home until he is 5.
and now they said they can’t keep his place forever.

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unicormb · 21/09/2022 18:42

Chilena2022 · 21/09/2022 18:40

my son is not allowed even to go part time, they said for his safety i need to be his one to one until the school has the funding . I told the Senco that i refused to be his one to one then she told me to keep him at home until he is 5.
and now they said they can’t keep his place forever.

What they are doing is illegal. Look at IPSEA website for help.

Whatchoice · 21/09/2022 18:43

Ok, in that case definitely talk to SENDIASS first thing in the morning.

Also write to the SENCo and/or headteacher - an email summarising the conversation and asking if they are intending to exclude your son from the school - so that you have it in writing.

Does your son have a diagnosis? Did he have any support from portage or at nursery?

Thatsnotmycar · 21/09/2022 18:43

The school are illegally excluding DS. Inform them in writing DS will be attending full time unless they formally exclude him and you will not be providing him with 1:1.

Be careful with SENDIASS, some are good but too many repeat the LA’s unlawful policies. IPSEA and SOSSEN are better if you can speak to them.

unicormb · 21/09/2022 18:44

This is relevant www.ipsea.org.uk/what-steps-does-the-school-have-to-take

unicormb · 21/09/2022 18:45

No child should be excluded/suspended from school for an unlimited period, or for a non-disciplinary reason, or without formal notice in writing from the head. This includes pupils who are below compulsory school age (those under 5), and above compulsory school age (those in sixth form).
If they have said your child can't go back unless you're his 1-1 they are excluding him, illegally.

Smartiepants79 · 21/09/2022 18:46

I personally think it’s a terrible idea for a parents to be a child’s one to one in an educational setting. They should not have asked that.
They should definitely be doing a lot more to help him.
They are right however to say that if he’s not attending that can remove him from role. There also maybe a loophole/issue with the fact that he’s not statutory school age yet????? Not sure.
In this situation I do think it would be in your best interests to continue to try and get him into school, this forces them to deal with the situation and find some solutions. You home educating him is letting them wriggle out of their responsibility.
That said I’d really be questioning if this the right setting for him.
I can’t believe that at this point in time any school has no experience of dealing with children with SEN like this.

Are there alternative schools to look into?

5zeds · 21/09/2022 18:48

Ring the LA and ask them what to do as school won’t allow your child to attend school. Then email the school cc’ing the LA and governors explaining that you have been asked to be his 1:1 TA till they have funding in place to keep him safe and that they have threatened to off remove his place if you don’t. The email is important and should be factual and name and date the conversations you have had. This can then be used as evidence to help them get funding and as a paper trail should someone suggest you are the one who wanted him at home.
Post on the SN board as they have lots of experience and will help you.

Dilbertian · 21/09/2022 18:50

By taking your ds out of school you are taking the pressure off them. You make educating him your problem, rather than theirs. The squeaky wheel gets the grease. If they struggle it will motivate them to get help.

Not nice for your boy, I know, but you need to force their hand.

And, no, you should not be expected to be his free one to one.

5zeds · 21/09/2022 18:54

They a not “right” to say if they don’t let him into school they can remove his place. That’s ridiculous. OP has a right to have her child educated in a MS school unless he cannot be accommodated (and we can’t fund a TA ISN’T that situation).
PLEASE don’t post suggesting things if you don’t understand how disabled children are educated I. The UK or you could be part of losing a very vulnerable child their chance to receive an education at all.

lala1245 · 21/09/2022 18:56

What needs does he have that the school can not meet? Has he already bed. Identified as having needs/referred to outside agencies?

lala1245 · 21/09/2022 18:56

Been

Threelittlelambs · 21/09/2022 18:58

Is it down to him being 4?

School budgets have vastly reduced and they can’t magic up money. ESO wages have been capped for the next 10 years and they aren’t replacing ones that have left for much higher wages elsewhere.

I would ask for clarification in writing on the current situation and go from there. There’s a difference between what they say on the phone and what they’ll put in writing.

Thatsnotmycar · 21/09/2022 19:00

They are right however to say that if he’s not attending that can remove him from role.

Not if OP’s DS isn’t attending because the school are illegally excluding him. There are rules on when pupils can be removed from the school roll and illegal exclusions isn’t one of the lawful reasons.

There also maybe a loophole/issue with the fact that he’s not statutory school age yet????? Not sure.

There isn’t, illegal exclusions are always illegal.

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Chilena2022 · 21/09/2022 19:06

I really want my son to be in the school, even part time. but the school said they can’t meet his needs and they don’t have money to put him a one to one. The only solution is that I
am his one to one and I dont want to be because It is not good for my son and also i think even to volunteer in the school it is necessary to have a DBS.
and now because I don’t bring him they said they will remove from register,. but they know that is not very legal to ask me to be his one to one or give an exclusion letter, then they don’t put anything in writing.

I have in writing that asking me to be his one to one for a week

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Chilena2022 · 21/09/2022 19:11

he was only in the school for one hour when the ask me to collect him.
and I don’t know why they keep asking me to be his one to one ? i could have more children not in school age or maybe I have caring responsibilities or maybe I could not been working with children.

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Thatsnotmycar · 21/09/2022 19:12

Just inform the school in writing DS will be attending full time unless they formally exclude and you won’t be providing 1:1.

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Chilena2022 · 21/09/2022 19:16

I told them I will not pick him up until they gave him the exclusion letter and they said they will call social services.
At the moment I have a meeting next week and my son is not allowed to go until then

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5zeds · 21/09/2022 19:16

Write down everything that has happened now with dates times and names if you can and what you think (labelled as such) if you can’t.
Send an email asking why he can’t attend school. Phone and ask the same thing. My ds had emergency funding till his EHCP was in place. They CAN do it.

Thatsnotmycar · 21/09/2022 19:17

Call their bluff then and let them call social services. They are the ones acting unlawfully. You don’t have to allow DS to be illegally excluded.