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sen and one to one

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Chilena2022 · 21/09/2022 18:18

my son is 4 years old and at the moment I need to home educated him because the school can’t meet his needs and they ask me to be his one to one until they get funding. I refused to be his one to one and I am not sending him to school.
This morning the headteacher said if I don’t send my child to school they will remove his name.
I really lost about what this schools wants?
and it is normal for parents of sen children to be asked to be their one to one of the children until they get funding?

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5zeds · 21/09/2022 19:18

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do you have it in writing that he can’t attend till the meeting?

fastandthecurious1 · 21/09/2022 19:19

Can I ask what behaviour issues they are saying they cannot deal with? What is your sons needs and behaviours ?

Soontobe60 · 21/09/2022 19:20

You need to contact SENDIASS urgently. What they are doing is not only illegal, but it’s highly immoral! It’s exclusionary and wrong on all counts.

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Chilena2022 · 21/09/2022 19:22

my son does not have a ECPH plan because last year was refused

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Thatsnotmycar · 21/09/2022 19:24

Not having an EHCP doesn’t change the fact the school are illegally excluding DS.

Did you appeal the EHCP refusal? You can reapply.

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Chilena2022 · 21/09/2022 19:25

yes I have in writing that, he is not allowed to go until the meeting and they knew about his special needs before starting them. my son sometimes behave very bad because is not verbal and get frustrated. he needs one to one but I don’t want to be his one to one

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Thatsnotmycar · 21/09/2022 19:28

If you have it in writing is it a formal exclusion?

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Chilena2022 · 21/09/2022 19:30

Thatsnotmycar · 21/09/2022 19:28

If you have it in writing is it a formal exclusion?

no, I don’t and i don’t think they will put this in writing. I have a email that saying I can’t bring him to school until we have a meeting.

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Thatsnotmycar · 21/09/2022 19:35

So, if it isn’t a formal exclusion email back stating they are illegally excluding DS and he will be attending full time unless they provide formal exclusion paperwork and you won’t be providing 1:1. Then take him to school.

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Chilena2022 · 21/09/2022 19:38

i am not scare of social services, they can call them.

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hiredandsqueak · 21/09/2022 19:39

Thatsnotmycar · 21/09/2022 19:35

So, if it isn’t a formal exclusion email back stating they are illegally excluding DS and he will be attending full time unless they provide formal exclusion paperwork and you won’t be providing 1:1. Then take him to school.

Do this, they can't informally exclude, if they want to send him home they need to supply the paperwork This will be evidence to support the EHCP application. Contact IPSEA or SOSSEN for support.

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Chilena2022 · 21/09/2022 20:31

hiredandsqueak · 21/09/2022 19:39

Do this, they can't informally exclude, if they want to send him home they need to supply the paperwork This will be evidence to support the EHCP application. Contact IPSEA or SOSSEN for support.

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I wish I could do that, but they will not let me just to leave on the school or gave me the exclusion letter

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Thatsnotmycar · 21/09/2022 20:36

You can do that, the school can’t stop you, unless they formally exclude. If you let the school act unlawfully now they will continue to do so because they know you won’t enforce DS’s rights.

hiredandsqueak · 21/09/2022 21:07

You write warning them that you are bringing your child to school as is their entitlement and blocking their attendance would be discriminatory. You then state they will be there full time every day unless they give you the paperwork to exclude him.
You have to get tough with the school or it will go on for years. I supported a mother whose child was seven years old and had never been to school for a full day. School had cut down his attendance to 15 minutes twice a week by then. He's now happily full time in a special school.
Get tough now or it's quite feasible you will be in the same place

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Chilena2022 · 21/09/2022 21:16

hiredandsqueak · 21/09/2022 21:07

You write warning them that you are bringing your child to school as is their entitlement and blocking their attendance would be discriminatory. You then state they will be there full time every day unless they give you the paperwork to exclude him.
You have to get tough with the school or it will go on for years. I supported a mother whose child was seven years old and had never been to school for a full day. School had cut down his attendance to 15 minutes twice a week by then. He's now happily full time in a special school.
Get tough now or it's quite feasible you will be in the same place

hiredandsqueak I think I am already in that position .
In the meeting I would like to ask in which part of his admission are asking parents of children with Sen to be one to one because of lack of funding. I would have apply to another school if knew about this

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hiredandsqueak · 21/09/2022 21:34

Before the meeting contact IPSEA and SOSSEN and even SENDIAS if you have them in your area. Get your facts straight and written down. Tell the school you are recording the meeting for your own records (and make sure you do so) and offer them a copy. Adopt a broken record approach, blocking attendance is discriminatory and I will complain. I am not going to be the one to one I have other commitments and am under no obligation to do so. I will be bringing child to school and leaving you will need to formally exclude him for each day if you can't manage him. I will collect if you supply the paperwork, without the paperwork it is an unlawful exclusion and I will be making a complaint. I won't be removing him from the school roll and you doing so would be off rolling which is unlawful and I will report to OFSTED. Then ask what progress they have made in securing the funding they need as there are means available until the EHCP is secured.

hiredandsqueak · 21/09/2022 21:49

If you are in Derbyshire I will be able to help further so dm me.

schooladmission · 21/09/2022 22:32

This all can depend on the borough. Some schools/authorities don't have the money to give to schools to support children who do not have an EHCP yet. Reception kids cant get an EHCP easily when not in an educational setting - this can be a catch 22.

A school can take a non attending child off roll after 20 school days - I suspect this is what the Head means.

I think the head wants you to act as 1 to 1 so that they can get the call rolling on the EHCP and then get the funding to employ one for you.

This is an odd way to go about things but they may feel this is the quickest and easiest way to get the correct support in place

I would suggest that you contact the portage team and the SEN team at your LA to discuss this and see what they suggest

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Chilena2022 · 21/09/2022 22:36

thanks, i will use that in my meeting but because my son is only 4 is not of legal age and they are playing with this.
before going to the meeting I will write all the things that you just wrote. some of them I
have already use like I don’t want to be his one to one ( they said my son is a risk for himself and other and it is the only way he can be in the school). i told them can you give the exclusion letter but they are not prepare to do it.

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Thatsnotmycar · 21/09/2022 22:39

You need to get tougher otherwise Hiredamdsqueak is right the school will continue to act unlawfully long term. If the school won’t give a formal exclusion letter send DS to school.

Being below CSA doesn’t mean the school can illegally exclude DS.

Taking a child off the roll after 20 days isn’t allowed when those 20 days have been missed because the pupil is being illegally excluded.

hiredandsqueak · 21/09/2022 22:40

They don't get the choice either they formally exclude or they keep him in school. You need to contact IPSEA they will really help you draft a letter that will knock the nonsense into touch.

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Chilena2022 · 21/09/2022 22:42

schooladmission · 21/09/2022 22:32

This all can depend on the borough. Some schools/authorities don't have the money to give to schools to support children who do not have an EHCP yet. Reception kids cant get an EHCP easily when not in an educational setting - this can be a catch 22.

A school can take a non attending child off roll after 20 school days - I suspect this is what the Head means.

I think the head wants you to act as 1 to 1 so that they can get the call rolling on the EHCP and then get the funding to employ one for you.

This is an odd way to go about things but they may feel this is the quickest and easiest way to get the correct support in place

I would suggest that you contact the portage team and the SEN team at your LA to discuss this and see what they suggest

my son is not in the school because they don’t let me to bring him. and maybe I don’t want to
be his one to one or i can’t be his one to one.
Anyway I need to start to look for another school, lack of funding should not be a parents problems, we already have to much to deal.

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hiredandsqueak · 21/09/2022 22:45

@schooladmission the EHCP will take twenty weeks if there's no appeal needed and the LA meet all legal timescales. You aren't seriously suggesting that OP should act as 1 to 1 until that is done? The LA will have funds to be accessed this isn't an unusual situation the school should have got their finger out as soon as they were aware of the child's needs.

schooladmission · 21/09/2022 22:51

hiredandsqueak · 21/09/2022 22:45

@schooladmission the EHCP will take twenty weeks if there's no appeal needed and the LA meet all legal timescales. You aren't seriously suggesting that OP should act as 1 to 1 until that is done? The LA will have funds to be accessed this isn't an unusual situation the school should have got their finger out as soon as they were aware of the child's needs.

Oh no - not at all - just think that the school have gone a cack handed way around things.

That is why I suggested OP speak to portage and the SEN team.

Our LA is struggling with this at the moment (I don't know of any schools who have asked the parent to be a 1 to 1) and we have kids who are being let down because they are slipping through.

I suspect the Head is doing what they thought was a good idea to stop this child slipping through the system and keeping them in school. I don't think it is right, just suggesting that this might have been the head's thought process. Same as the threat to remove from roll - more a warning that this is what will happen with 20 school days with no attendance.

hiredandsqueak · 21/09/2022 22:54

Op don't move your child yet, exclusions are useful evidence. Request a EHC needs assessment using the template letter HERE The only test you need to meet to get an assessment is that your child has or may have SEN and needs or may need the support through an EHCP. Any letters from any professionals detailing diagnoses or needs fulfil part one, the fact that the school aren't allowing your child to attend supports part two. Any other conditions that school or LA tell you is bollocks frankly, the law is the law.