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10 year old daughter taught about sexual assault and rape at school

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recall · 29/07/2021 06:00

My daughter is in year 6, and recently attended a two day Transition to Secondary School course at school.

At the end of the first day, all parents received an e mail saying that some of the parents thought the content of the course may be inappropriate. I didn’t see my daughter until the evening of the second day ( she had been staying with her dad my ex husband ). I asked her what she had learnt. She told me....about a boy who moved up to Secondary School and started suffering from cyber bullying, so much so that he committed suicide. They showed them images of the boy, his grave and a video of his mother in tears talking about it. Four of the children left the room, two were in tears, one of whom began hyperventilating.

I contacted the boy’s mum who confirmed this was true, and told me they had also been taught about a rape. About a 15 year old girl who got drunk and woke up in a ditch and was pregnant. They were also taught about the spiking of drinks, and given stickers to put over their glasses in order to prevent this from happening.

I gave my consent for her attend this course, on the basis they would be discussing “ keeping safe, not harming your body, making healthy friendships, resisting peer pressure and cyber bullying.”

The course was delivered by an outside company that describes itself as a Small Social Enterprise.
On the school’s advice I contacted this company to complain. The CEO did not agree the content to be age inappropriate. I asked for a copy of the content of the course, and was refused because it was their intellectual property, she did say I could view it in her office.

I have had a meeting with the Head of Federation ( her school belongs to a Federation of several Primary Schools ) He said that although he agreed that the content may not be age appropriate, his colleague who arranged the course thought that it was. I asked if he could obtain a copy of the content and he said he could try but not promise.

My daughter is 10, and has not yet covered sexual intercourse in Personal Development, so her introduction to this has been rape. Her friend has since questioned her own sexuality, and has been Googling ways to commit suicide. Apparently there is a child in year 5 who has gone home and asked her mum what rape means, so it is filtering through the playground.

There seems to be no accountability. I really want to see what she has seen, she was shown it without my informed consent, surely I have a right to a copy of the content.

Any advice ? Thoughts ?

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recall · 29/07/2021 23:20

blueforyou I’m sorry to hear that happened to you as a child. I actually do try and educate and empower my children and prepare them, I have a 14 year old girl and a 12 year old boy also, we do a fairly good job between us, often sitting all together in the kitchen having long chats. My son was experiencing bullying regarding his sexuality, I contacted student support at his school on his behalf and it was dealt with immediately, they were brilliant.

It’s the way in which this course was managed and delivered that I have a problem with. I don’t think the content was age appropriate, and I feel out of control. Suicide and sexual assault are extremely triggering, I’ve been triggered myself by it. I think I ought to have the opportunity to check that the content was suitable for my child. We could have lost a family member to suicide recently for all they know ( luckily we haven’t ) but it it was reckless of them not to give me the opportunity to check it out just in case. They went off the curriculum that I am familiar with and exposed them to random stuff without checking.

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ColdTattyWaitingForSummer · 29/07/2021 23:31

Honestly, if you don’t get anywhere with the primary school and course provider, I’d be taking this to the press. I’m not talking daily Mail sad face, but I’m sure someone would be interested in following up the story, and maybe making others aware what this company is peddling.

Rogue1001 · 29/07/2021 23:31

@hedgehogger1

I think there was a very similar thread recently. Or I'm suffering from deja vu. I wonder if it was the same organisation
I was thinking exact same.

I had to check date op posted thinking it was a resurrected thread

Blue4YOU · 29/07/2021 23:45

OP - you are absolutely right. Check the content. Decide then on what to do. I wish you luck and you sound like a great mum

BridgetGetTheGin · 29/07/2021 23:48

Why hasn't she had sex Ed yet?! Surely by year 5?

recall · 29/07/2021 23:55

Rogue101 yes, I did post about this recently, and as I’ve said, someone responded by saying they thought it was bullshit and that my daughter had made it up. And as I’ve also said, I went off to check with other parents, the course provider, teachers, the Headmaster and the Head. Of Federation, and she wasn’t lying, it is indeed true and it is not bullshit. Now I am back, new thread, same subject.

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Saidtoomuch · 29/07/2021 23:55

Hmm, I spoke to my children about consent and safety long before year 6. I thinks its ìmportant not sugar coat, but also not to frighten. I showed my DD Kayley's Love Story when she was 11. They knew about sex long before then. I always spoke quite openly about such things and answered questions when they arouse. Having them grow up on a farm helps them know what goes where!
Most children are getting their first smart phones in year 6, so they need to know about the awful side of life a lot sooner than we did.

recall · 30/07/2021 00:01

BridgetGetTheGin They have been taught Relationships Education and Health Education in line with the National Curriculum......AT SCHOOL. She has been taught a certain amount about sex by me.

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recall · 30/07/2021 00:03

SaidTooMuch She does know about sex, and I address questions as they arise and we too live on a farm.

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recall · 30/07/2021 00:06

SaidTooMuch oh yes, and she has a smart phone as did my others when they left primary school....because they need one ( in my opinion ) when they attend Secondary School for various reasons.

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TheSkatesOfCoachBombay · 30/07/2021 00:39

I'm really not quite sure what to make of this.

OP I completely agree you should be pushing this forward and investigating 10 year olds don't need graphic discussions on rape/suicide and drink spiking. Let alone drink covers!

Why are we normalising this? Why are we on one hand upset/bemused at the fact we seem to be raising a young generation of sexualised depressed stressed and anxious children but then with the other hand teaching children as young as 10 about sex, rape, suicide and drink spiking.

C'mon now, can nobody see the link?!

I'm not old far from it. I'm a 90's child.

I don't think we were taught about sex, concent, relationships, intimacy, LGBT, STI's Sexual assault and suicide till we were 14! Before then it was just biology 101 and safeguarding by the schools. My social media is full of "old school friends" 99% of us managed to become healthy, normal adults.

Why the sudden need and urge to teach children as young as 10 about quite frankly the horrors of life 😳. Can children just be children? Most traumatic thing for me age 10 was s club 7 breaking up 🙄

PickAChew · 30/07/2021 00:47

Even very young or learning disabled children can be taught about consent. It dies not need to be so graphic "Talk PANTS & Join Pantosaurus - The Underwear Rule | NSPCC" www.nspcc.org.uk/keeping-children-safe/support-for-parents/pants-underwear-rule/?gclid=CjwKCAjwo4mIBhBsEiwAKgzXOCi8PXf8zJbJRNIMDzsyj-wKwq56iEsCuupz5rs7ku6Gvjw_uN1CkhoCIOAQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

JohnnyLuLus · 30/07/2021 00:59

OP, can you tell us the name of the organisation? I'd like to look them up - I work in an education advisory role and would like to ensure my schools are aware of this organisation and the safeguarding risks.

recall · 30/07/2021 03:26

www.sosglobal.org/

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TheSkatesOfCoachBombay · 30/07/2021 03:36

I mean having had a quick browse not sure I'd hire a company that used language like "if you get pissed" on their actual marketing website...

I mean when this diamond of a sentence appeared "If you drink lots of alcohol you may pass out – this could leave you at risk of being molested or even raped."

Who the fuck thought "Yeah looks fine for 10 year olds" 🤦🏻‍♀️

recall · 30/07/2021 03:36

I’ve noticed that this has been added since my daughter’s course which was held on 24th and 25th of July....

www.sosglobal.org/continuing-support-after-workshops/

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TheSkatesOfCoachBombay · 30/07/2021 03:38

If you need "support after a workshop" not too sure it's "hard hitting" more "traumatic and inappropriate"...

recall · 30/07/2021 03:52

TheSkatesOfCoachBombay Exactly .... it’s dreadful

“ Some viewers may find this video distressing, but here at SOS Global we feel that potentially finding a video distressing is much better than finding out that a young person you care about has committed suicide”

That isn’t the video that I believe was shown to my daughter and her classmates, four of the children left the room because they were distressed, two were definitely in tears and one began hyperventilating..... but apparently that is acceptable. The CEO said that following our initial phone conversation, she cried all afternoon, she was not in the slightest bit concerned about the children she made cry in her sessions, just crying for herself.

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recall · 30/07/2021 03:58

My 10 year old daughter doesn’t require “hard hitting” thank you very much, she requires guidance and support in a loving nurturing environment.

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TheSkatesOfCoachBombay · 30/07/2021 04:03

CEO was crying? Well hopefully at the fact she traumatising children and should stop immediately! 🙄 Fucking idiot.

WarriorN · 30/07/2021 07:00

Fucking hell.

Excellent advice from many here, esp Holy, and OP you are doing the right things by escalating this.

I may be wrong but I though that schools are supposed to vet groups and are responsible for hiring - if a teacher believed this was fine and appropriate for y7 starters (some of whom could still only be 10 or only just 11) then OFSTED should definitely be informed. I can't believe staff were asked to leave. I don't know of any situation where that's appropriate safeguarding wise.

Cattitudes · 30/07/2021 07:03

Based on your updates my guess would be that she or one of her children has been personally affected by these issues which is why she is doing it and her reaction. She seems too personally involved to have just applied for a job or randomly decided to start this scheme. I am not saying she is wrong to run a scheme (although a more detached professional might develop more age appropriate materials) or that you are wrong to complain but the timing and location do seem inappropriate. They could develop a less hard hitting version and then use this in yr7 or 8. Children do grow up very fast when they transfer to secondary and it won't be long until it is more appropriate unfortunately. Having it in their new secondary as the first encounter is also very poor planning.

I think though that could be the reason you are meeting such resistance to taking on board reasonable feedback. Another company might thank you for your feedback and agree to review their policies, they wouldn't tell you they had cried all afternoon.

TheSockMonster · 30/07/2021 07:19

My DD is 11 yo and will be starting Y7 in September. I would have no problem with school covering the topics covered (consent, cyber bullying, even suicide) BUT I would expect them to be covered in an age-appropriate way but teachers who have experience working with their age group and with materials that have been vetted by people who know them.

What OP’s DD was taught sounds absolutely horrific and completely inappropriate for the age of the students and the situation (school induction, new environment, teachers who don’t know them). I’d would also be very concerned that it’s being taught from a ‘this is what can happen to you if you’re not careful’ victim blaming perspective.

I would definitely view the materials, but be aware that the session leader may have put their own spin on it. I would also refuse to let the school federation wash their hands of it. The buck stops with them.

recall · 30/07/2021 07:20

catitudes it wasn’t provided by their new Secondary School, but by the Federation of Primary Schools that her Primary School belongs to. The Secondary School were totally unaware of this until I informed them. The head of year there immediately contacted my daughter’s Headmaster to confirm that I was correct, and then contacted me. He was appalled by it.

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Woeismethischristmas · 30/07/2021 07:23

@anon12345678901

I am surprised you haven't told your daughter about sex and consent, my son is10 and he's aware of them. I've made sure he knows about them in case anything inappropriate happened. If someone tried to touch my son inappropriately he'd know it's wrong. To be honest, I wouldn't be too angry about my son seeing this kind of thing, it happens and to ignore it doesn't do any favours. Bullying is rife from a young age so if it shows the consequences, I can't see that as a bad thing at all. Why don't you go and view the material? See what they saw, what would you like the outcome to be?
My son is 10 and I haven’t taught him about consent. He has no interest in girls or boys and was a bit unimpressed when they did sex Ed recently. Days of going on about vaginas, penises and special feelings apparently.

He has been taught that everyone is entitled to bodily autonomy, respect and personal space. He knows if someone does anything to him to speak up and by the same token if another person says stop then you do so. Decent starting point for all physical interactions including sex when ready.