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Reception DC encouraged to guess words from pictures. Afraid I've got off on the wrong foot with teacher.

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Satina · 02/10/2019 13:03

DC2 has just started reception and we were excited for all the new experiences the next year would bring. I'm worried however that I've got off on the wrong foot with the new teacher.

Sorry, this is long:

When DC1 was in the same class she flew through reading books and was known to be a very strong reader. However she eventually hit a barrier and her progression stalled. School weren't bothered as she was still ahead of expected for her age but I, who listened to her read daily noticed problems. Specifically that she was guessing unfamiliar words which sometimes meant she completely misunderstood the meaning of the passage she'd just read.

I'd never helped a child learn to read before, so I did extensive research into how to help her and went back to basics of focusing on decoding unfamiliar words and eventually she flew.

Since DC1 was in reception the school has replaced their book scheme to one that's supposed to be more decodable.

I was eager to avoid the same problems occurring for DC2 and was optimistic that the new book scheme would mean decoding would be encouraged rather than guessing.

I was therefore surprised when the very first comment in DC's reading diary was 'DC has been encouraged to use the pictures to help guess unfamiliar words'.

All of the reading I did around the subject, when DC1 was learning suggests this is bad practice.

E.g. The Rose Report says:

"However, if beginner readers, for
example, are encouraged to infer from
pictures the word they have to decode
this may lead to their not realising that
they need to focus on the printed
word.They may, therefore, not use their
developing phonic knowledge. It may
also lead to diluting the focused
phonics teaching that is necessary for
securing accurate word reading.Thus,
where beginner readers are taught
habitually to infer the word they need
from pictures they are far less likely to
apply their developing phonic
knowledge and skills to print. During
the course of the review, several
examples were seen of beginners
being encouraged to infer from
pictures the word they did not
immediately recognise from the text."

I asked for a quick chat with the teacher who rang me at home. I explained that I was very happy with everything in reception so far but that I'd really prefer DC to be encouraged to decode unfamiliar words and not guess. She thought I was trying to push for DC to have more complex books and spent some time telling me why she thought this would be detrimental. I clarified that I definitely was not pushing for harder material and in fact would have preferred an easier, decodable book.

I said I wasn't expecting any changes to the way the class is taught as a whole, but wanted DD to have books she could decode with her current knowledge (which I'm happy to provide if they don't have enough) and to be encouraged not to use alternative methods until she was secure in her decoding.

Teacher then spent some time telling me the importance of using other methods as some children struggle with phonics and it helps them and that it's important for children to learn through repetition and using other cues aswell as decoding.

This is where I'm worried I overstepped the mark as I said that I appreciate what you're saying but all my research suggests otherwise, which I know must be really annoying to be told as a professional by someone who is not a professional in that area.

I said I'm happy to provide all my references which the teacher said she didn't need.

Ultimately, all I wanted was for my DC to become secure in her decoding before other methods are used, so as not to confuse her.

Teacher has now agreed to this with DD, but I'm feeling so guilty and anxious about having said anything in the first place.

I should have kept my mouth shut and just focussed on decoding at home and let them do their own thing at school.

Do you think there's anything I can do to improve matters and reassure the teacher that I'm not going to be a PITA parent all year?

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absopugginglutely · 02/10/2019 13:08

Sounds like you have a lot of time on your hands.
Let the professionals get on with their job and stop being 'that parent'.

ChicCroissant · 02/10/2019 13:09

Unfortunately not, and reprinting your 'research' here doesn't make me think that you are genuinely apologetic in the slightest. Try not to compare your children to each other, you seem to be looking for problems.

JocastaJones · 02/10/2019 13:11

I think you have really over stepped the mark. It's the first few weeks of reception for god's sake. Calm down and let the teachers do their job. They're trying to build confidence in all the children. Some at this stage will not be able to recognise any letters so for them phonics is still a way off. It's very early in your child's education. No harm is going to be done at this stage by employing a variety of techniques to encourage early reading.

user1483387154 · 02/10/2019 13:15

wow. you really overstepped the mark.

AudacityOfHope · 02/10/2019 13:16

Jeezo, we're talking about a tiny kid here! How many adults do you know that never learned to read due to the overwhelming number of pictures they saw next to the words?! Confused

If I used to suspect that my kids had memorised the words, I used to cover and pictures with a piece of paper and make them read it to me backwards Grin

LetItGoToRuin · 02/10/2019 13:16

"all I wanted was for my DC to become secure in her decoding before other methods are used, so as not to confuse her."

"Teacher has now agreed to this with DD"

In my view, you did exactly the right thing, and got the outcome you wanted!

Hopefully, the teacher will keep to her agreement, and you'll be able to support DD at home and she'll do well. Sadly you can't change the teacher's mindset so easily, so other children in the class may still struggle with being taught mixed methods - but your priority is your DD.

I wouldn't try to do anything active to build bridges - you've not done anything wrong.

tomboytown · 02/10/2019 13:16

Oh dear

Bigpaintinglittlepainting · 02/10/2019 13:18

Christ alive I’m soooooo glad I’m not a teacher

AllFourOfThem · 02/10/2019 13:18

What a way to make you That Parent and when your child is presumably in the first few weeks of their education! Wow. What were you thinking?

M0nkeybutler · 02/10/2019 13:20

Just wow. If you'd done that to me I don't think there's any way you could convince me you're not going to be a PITA.

TheCanterburyWhales · 02/10/2019 13:20

Oh dear, how embarrassing for you
The teacher said that to make you stfu btw, and this morning you are the laughing stock of the staffroom.

EmilyStar · 02/10/2019 13:26

I’m not sure what you can do to reassure the teacher unless you’re planning on going back and essentially saying you were wrong, she was right and guessing is just fine and dandy.

Which , personally, I’d struggle to do in this scenario, because my viewpoint is that teaching children to guess at words is a load of bollocks that, at best, does absolutely nothing at all to help them learn to actually read independently, and, at worst, holds them back because they get into the habit of guessing at words that they should be able to try decoding.

So I’d probably avoid the subject from now on if possible.

LeekMunchingSheepShagger · 02/10/2019 13:26

Oh dear oh dear.

Back off and let the teachers do their job.

Wheelson · 02/10/2019 13:30

Your research suggested otherwise and you offered to give her your references? Jeezo you definitely are a PITA and I'm not even a teacher.

prettygreenteacup · 02/10/2019 13:31

Oh god. You are That Parent. How about let the teachers do their job?!

Drabarni · 02/10/2019 13:31

you should H.ed, they aren't going to teach a different way for you Grin
They are taught and told what to do. Can you imagine if every parent went in wanting it done their own way. Grin
Are you for real?

Satina · 02/10/2019 13:33

I know, I know.

I have terrible anxiety and tend to end up focussed on one subject and research the hell out of it and not be able to stop thinking about it.

This horrendous personality trait of mine can be detrimental to me (and I've been working on it) as I cock up relationships like I seem to have done with this teacher (who was very lovely btw) but can also be beneficial as in my own work I don't settle with the status quo just because "that's how we've always done it" and have brought about important changes when I've seen problems. Also, don't agree with bringing in changes for the sake of it and like to ensure there's an evidence base for what I do.

I just want the best for DC2 and to prevent some of the problems we encountered with DC1.

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Satina · 02/10/2019 13:36

I have thought about home schooling before, but I think my children get so much from their school experience beyond academics and also that I'd have to give up my own job.

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Drabarni · 02/10/2019 13:37

This can't be real, it's even followed up with Do you think there's anything I can do to improve matters and reassure the teacher that I'm not going to be a PITA parent all year?
A bit late love, I bet they had a good laugh at you in the staff room.
The teacher said she'll do it your way, yeah they do this for every PITA parent.
Mnet is hysterical sometimes.

WhatTiggersDoBest · 02/10/2019 13:38

YANBU at all! This teacher is displaying a shocking lack of understanding of phonics (and she doesn't seem to understand them...). You are 100% correct.
Stick to your guns.

Thebookswereherfriends · 02/10/2019 13:39

What’s done is done, there’s no point beating yourself up now. I would go in and apologise in person to the teacher and just say you got a bit carried away. When you read with your child teach them the decoding in the same way you did with your other child and I’m sure your dc2 will learn to read just fine.

highheelsandbobblehats · 02/10/2019 13:39

That's because all your research is based around pushing phonics. I'm 37, I didn't learn to read through phonics and I was reading Enid Blyton Famous Five etc books at 7.
My children are polar opposites when it comes to learning to read. DS2 unlocked his phonics knowledge immediately and has zipped through the levels. DS1 struggled from Reception, it was properly looked at in Y2, with extra daily reading. He's now in Y4, is on the same reading band as DS2 and finally his school have agreed that phonics just aren't his thing at all. It's simply not the way his mind works. So they are reverting to the style of learning to read that I was taught, which is whole word reading. Teaches the child to recognise the word using both visual clues and clues in the text.
There is more than one way of learning to read. I suspect the teacher with her teaching qualifications and years of experience knows this all too well.

You have realised that you've completely overstepped. A simple apology would probably be appreciated. She's likely to brush it off so that you don't feel any worse, but I imagine that she'll privately appreciate it.

WhatTiggersDoBest · 02/10/2019 13:39

(I used to teach this age and you are NOT being laughed at in the staffroom, you are raising valid concerns).

nunnun · 02/10/2019 13:40

Hahaha this could be a sitcom set in a school!

RicStar · 02/10/2019 13:40

OP she is probably not going to dwell much on it -certainly not as much as you are. Will you ever be her best buddy, probably no but she is a professional and she knows you are a worried mum. I would tend to save going into school for really important things - so I have never actually had to do with either of my DC. I am relaxed about learning to read / believe there is rarely only one way to crack a nut nut clearly you feel differently and that is ok. If you can I would just hang back from now - do what you want at home. Dont read the school books if you prefer as long as your ds is reading something I do not think the school will mind.