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Reception DC encouraged to guess words from pictures. Afraid I've got off on the wrong foot with teacher.

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Satina · 02/10/2019 13:03

DC2 has just started reception and we were excited for all the new experiences the next year would bring. I'm worried however that I've got off on the wrong foot with the new teacher.

Sorry, this is long:

When DC1 was in the same class she flew through reading books and was known to be a very strong reader. However she eventually hit a barrier and her progression stalled. School weren't bothered as she was still ahead of expected for her age but I, who listened to her read daily noticed problems. Specifically that she was guessing unfamiliar words which sometimes meant she completely misunderstood the meaning of the passage she'd just read.

I'd never helped a child learn to read before, so I did extensive research into how to help her and went back to basics of focusing on decoding unfamiliar words and eventually she flew.

Since DC1 was in reception the school has replaced their book scheme to one that's supposed to be more decodable.

I was eager to avoid the same problems occurring for DC2 and was optimistic that the new book scheme would mean decoding would be encouraged rather than guessing.

I was therefore surprised when the very first comment in DC's reading diary was 'DC has been encouraged to use the pictures to help guess unfamiliar words'.

All of the reading I did around the subject, when DC1 was learning suggests this is bad practice.

E.g. The Rose Report says:

"However, if beginner readers, for
example, are encouraged to infer from
pictures the word they have to decode
this may lead to their not realising that
they need to focus on the printed
word.They may, therefore, not use their
developing phonic knowledge. It may
also lead to diluting the focused
phonics teaching that is necessary for
securing accurate word reading.Thus,
where beginner readers are taught
habitually to infer the word they need
from pictures they are far less likely to
apply their developing phonic
knowledge and skills to print. During
the course of the review, several
examples were seen of beginners
being encouraged to infer from
pictures the word they did not
immediately recognise from the text."

I asked for a quick chat with the teacher who rang me at home. I explained that I was very happy with everything in reception so far but that I'd really prefer DC to be encouraged to decode unfamiliar words and not guess. She thought I was trying to push for DC to have more complex books and spent some time telling me why she thought this would be detrimental. I clarified that I definitely was not pushing for harder material and in fact would have preferred an easier, decodable book.

I said I wasn't expecting any changes to the way the class is taught as a whole, but wanted DD to have books she could decode with her current knowledge (which I'm happy to provide if they don't have enough) and to be encouraged not to use alternative methods until she was secure in her decoding.

Teacher then spent some time telling me the importance of using other methods as some children struggle with phonics and it helps them and that it's important for children to learn through repetition and using other cues aswell as decoding.

This is where I'm worried I overstepped the mark as I said that I appreciate what you're saying but all my research suggests otherwise, which I know must be really annoying to be told as a professional by someone who is not a professional in that area.

I said I'm happy to provide all my references which the teacher said she didn't need.

Ultimately, all I wanted was for my DC to become secure in her decoding before other methods are used, so as not to confuse her.

Teacher has now agreed to this with DD, but I'm feeling so guilty and anxious about having said anything in the first place.

I should have kept my mouth shut and just focussed on decoding at home and let them do their own thing at school.

Do you think there's anything I can do to improve matters and reassure the teacher that I'm not going to be a PITA parent all year?

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bookwormsforever · 02/10/2019 13:43

This is where I'm worried I overstepped the mark as I said that I appreciate what you're saying but all my research suggests otherwise, which I know must be really annoying to be told as a professional by someone who is not a professional in that area.

Yes. This x 1000. You should be mortified.

Reading is like everything else - some kids learn best via phonics, some by learning whole words, etc. Currently the govt is pushing phonics but it will probably go on to something else soon.

Your dc is in reception. Chill out. I'd apologise to the teacher and move on.

roisinagusniamh · 02/10/2019 13:45

I bet the teacher has forgotten about it already.
She will be dealing with all sorts of issues in her class, believe me.
Relax and let your daughter enjoy her time in Reception.

firstimemamma · 02/10/2019 13:45

Former reception teacher here. Nothing wrong with using the pictures to help with words.

TheRaccoonLandlord · 02/10/2019 13:46

I’m a bit on the fence, I think you overstepped the Mark, but if you felt that your DC wasn’t being taught well then you were right to bring it up.

Satina · 02/10/2019 13:46

I appreciate so many people taking the time to actually read such a long post. I didn't think I'd get so many responses.

My anxiety is currently through the roof as I feel so awful and guilty. I know I need to hear what you're all saying and I'm wrong to have broached this in this way.

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CornishMaid1 · 02/10/2019 13:48

I think you overstepped by saying that you could give her the research and essentially saying that you know better, but I don't think YWBU as you were looking out for your child.

A quick 'sorry about the other day' at home time and I am sure it will be forgotten about.

Satina · 02/10/2019 13:56

Some mixed responses here.

I can't bare to think I'm the laughing stock of the staff room. Especially as I don't want my actions to negatively impact my DC.

I'm very involved with school as want the best for all of the children. If they need money for something, I'll put lots of time and energy into helping them raise it. If they want parent participation, I'll be there (sometimes the only parent there) etc. I have a very tough job myself but always try to shift it around to be there at school. But I also know I'm a total PITA.

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ChicCroissant · 02/10/2019 14:01

I just want the best for DC2 and to prevent some of the problems we encountered with DC1.

Don't assume that DC2 will learn the same way as DC1 then Hmm Why would you assume that they will learn in exactly the same way, that's why teachers provide a variety of methods.

You still think you are right though - your anxiety is about how you have been perceived not what you said.

Veterinari · 02/10/2019 14:07

I think the issue is that in your mind there's A right way and that means that everything else is wrong. But learning isn’t like that. Yes on a population level phonics is likely to work for many students. Will it work for all students - no. Do you want a teacher who will individualise teaching using a mixture of methods adapted to the student or a teacher who delivers only phonics because of the current focus in educational research?

I learned to read whole words through inference and context - it isn’t just ‘guesswork’ and encourages a widening vocabulary as the meaning of the word is contextualised within the sentence rather than just being a collection of sounds. Additionally many words don’t Fit into neat phonics categories.
There’s more than one way to do things and different things work for different people

AudacityOfHope · 02/10/2019 14:09

Stop being a pain in the arse then.

You can be a helpful parent without also feeling entitled to give the teachers advice on how to teach more effectively.

I don't think you can say 'but anxiety' and keep on doing the same things; you have the self-awareness to stop.

Whyisshedoingit · 02/10/2019 14:11

Some people on this thread appear not to have good reading comprehension of their own! OP didn't come on here to ask if she was right or wrong to do what she did, she came to ask what, if anything, she can do to improve matters.... Hmm🙄🤦🏼‍♀️

OP, I'd definitely apologise or write a little card even? With just a quick note explaining you carried away with trying to do the right thing, that you lost sight of things a bit, that you're sorry and you respect her position fully. Job done

Vagndidit · 02/10/2019 14:12

Is it any wonder why my fellow teachers are leaving the profession in droves? 🙄

Whyisshedoingit · 02/10/2019 14:14

FYI - I'm only suggesting a card as it can be hectic at pick up & drop off. My DD is in Reception (she has my old Reception teacher as it happens!! 😊) and I'm lucky to be able to say hello to the Staff at all! So a card is easy to just pop on their desk or pass to them as you walk through the door

Satina · 02/10/2019 14:16

Whyisshedoingit thank you for this suggestion:

OP, I'd definitely apologise or write a little card even? With just a quick note explaining you carried away with trying to do the right thing, that you lost sight of things a bit, that you're sorry and you respect her position fully. Job done.

I think this may be the way to go.

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Wheelson · 02/10/2019 14:17

"OP didn't come on here to ask if she was right or wrong to do what she did, she came to ask what, if anything, she can do to improve matters.... 🙄🤦🏼‍♀️"

As if people aren't going to comment on that...

wichitalinemanswoman · 02/10/2019 14:19

Your poor kids 😂

PeterRouseTheFleshofMankind · 02/10/2019 14:21

This is where I'm worried I overstepped the mark as I said that I appreciate what you're saying but all my research suggests otherwise, which I know must be really annoying to be told as a professional by someone who is not a professional in that area.

Tell me you didn't actually say this?!!!

I really think you need to apologise to the teacher actually. I think they would appreciate it and it would make you look a bit better.

Of course children shouldn't be solely relying on pictures to try and guess words, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with having using picture cues as one of several strategies that could be used for reading an unfamiliar or perhaps undecodable words. I have taught reception up to year 5 and it really is OK. Obviously if a child is only relying on pictures and wildly guessing with no phonic attempts at all, this is a problem, but you asked for your 'quick chat' after one comment in the reading record?

I just can't believe you said that to her! She was perfectly correct in what she said.

bonbonours · 02/10/2019 14:26

You can't learn to read only through phonics because English is not phonetic and you can't do it only through whole word recognition because you'll never know every single word or by looking at pictures because not everything will be in the pictures. In fact you have to do a mixture of all three. I'm sure the teacher is well aware of this.

Looking at a word beginning with t and seeing a picture of a stripy cat and understanding that the word is tiger is a perfectly acceptable thing for a Reception child to do.

peachgreen · 02/10/2019 14:29

Children who learn solely through phonics might learn to read but they're much less likely to learn to love to read.

Scarydinosaurs · 02/10/2019 14:31

You really are not the laughing stock. You’ve raised valid concerns. Even those who don’t advocate phonics do not recommend guessing from the picture.

CripsSandwiches · 02/10/2019 14:32

You're right about guessing words but it's really not so important that it's worth jeopardising your relationship with your DC's teacher. Just do the decoding at home and don't worry as much about it. The vast majority of kids learn to read fine whichever way they're taught some start quicker than others and most will have periods of stalling then periods of jumping ahead. As the reading develops there will naturally be some informed recognising of words through context anyway.

TheOrigBrave · 02/10/2019 14:39

I'm very involved with school as want the best for all of the children. If they need money for something, I'll put lots of time and energy into helping them raise it. If they want parent participation, I'll be there (sometimes the only parent there) etc. I have a very tough job myself but always try to shift it around to be there at school. But I also know I'm a total PITA

I think we all want the best for our children. Being involved in the school, helping them raise money, being a parent helper does not mean you want more for your children than someone who is unable to do those things.

Moonsick · 02/10/2019 14:39

It’s quite likely she has already forgotten. Reception teachers deal with a lot of anxious and nervous parents, you certainly won’t be the only one or the worst!

You sound like you are a tuned in parent who is able to help their children when they have an academic problem. I’d focus on that when you are feeling anxious or worried, you don’t need to involve the teacher initially if your child has a problem, you can manage it yourself. Let them get on with it at school, they have 29 other children with individual needs to manage.

I always said my kids were at school for the social side of things, especially when they had a teacher that I thought wasn’t a good fit for them. I just supported and extended at home and waited out the months until they got a new teacher. I think I have been in to talk to a teacher once per child throughout primary school, both times when they were being bullied.

FindaPenny · 02/10/2019 14:39

Have you got a parents evening coming up? Maybe you could acknowledge you were a little intense and mention you just got anxious because of Dc1 experience.

ArfArfBarf · 02/10/2019 14:40

Children who learn solely through phonics might learn to read but they're much less likely to learn to love to read.

I don’t agree with this at all. I think people used to say this when phonics books were very forced and dull, but now with the Songbirds series etc I think early phonics readers have much more compelling storylines than the old look and say/ Biff and Chip books.