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Reception DC encouraged to guess words from pictures. Afraid I've got off on the wrong foot with teacher.

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Satina · 02/10/2019 13:03

DC2 has just started reception and we were excited for all the new experiences the next year would bring. I'm worried however that I've got off on the wrong foot with the new teacher.

Sorry, this is long:

When DC1 was in the same class she flew through reading books and was known to be a very strong reader. However she eventually hit a barrier and her progression stalled. School weren't bothered as she was still ahead of expected for her age but I, who listened to her read daily noticed problems. Specifically that she was guessing unfamiliar words which sometimes meant she completely misunderstood the meaning of the passage she'd just read.

I'd never helped a child learn to read before, so I did extensive research into how to help her and went back to basics of focusing on decoding unfamiliar words and eventually she flew.

Since DC1 was in reception the school has replaced their book scheme to one that's supposed to be more decodable.

I was eager to avoid the same problems occurring for DC2 and was optimistic that the new book scheme would mean decoding would be encouraged rather than guessing.

I was therefore surprised when the very first comment in DC's reading diary was 'DC has been encouraged to use the pictures to help guess unfamiliar words'.

All of the reading I did around the subject, when DC1 was learning suggests this is bad practice.

E.g. The Rose Report says:

"However, if beginner readers, for
example, are encouraged to infer from
pictures the word they have to decode
this may lead to their not realising that
they need to focus on the printed
word.They may, therefore, not use their
developing phonic knowledge. It may
also lead to diluting the focused
phonics teaching that is necessary for
securing accurate word reading.Thus,
where beginner readers are taught
habitually to infer the word they need
from pictures they are far less likely to
apply their developing phonic
knowledge and skills to print. During
the course of the review, several
examples were seen of beginners
being encouraged to infer from
pictures the word they did not
immediately recognise from the text."

I asked for a quick chat with the teacher who rang me at home. I explained that I was very happy with everything in reception so far but that I'd really prefer DC to be encouraged to decode unfamiliar words and not guess. She thought I was trying to push for DC to have more complex books and spent some time telling me why she thought this would be detrimental. I clarified that I definitely was not pushing for harder material and in fact would have preferred an easier, decodable book.

I said I wasn't expecting any changes to the way the class is taught as a whole, but wanted DD to have books she could decode with her current knowledge (which I'm happy to provide if they don't have enough) and to be encouraged not to use alternative methods until she was secure in her decoding.

Teacher then spent some time telling me the importance of using other methods as some children struggle with phonics and it helps them and that it's important for children to learn through repetition and using other cues aswell as decoding.

This is where I'm worried I overstepped the mark as I said that I appreciate what you're saying but all my research suggests otherwise, which I know must be really annoying to be told as a professional by someone who is not a professional in that area.

I said I'm happy to provide all my references which the teacher said she didn't need.

Ultimately, all I wanted was for my DC to become secure in her decoding before other methods are used, so as not to confuse her.

Teacher has now agreed to this with DD, but I'm feeling so guilty and anxious about having said anything in the first place.

I should have kept my mouth shut and just focussed on decoding at home and let them do their own thing at school.

Do you think there's anything I can do to improve matters and reassure the teacher that I'm not going to be a PITA parent all year?

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Norestformrz · 13/10/2019 07:35

Greggers are you a teacher or just very naive about reading schemes?

betternamepending · 13/10/2019 09:50

Oh dear, how embarrassing for you
The teacher said that to make you stfu btw, and this morning you are the laughing stock of the staffroom.

If that is how teachers talk about concerned parents who need some reasurrance then that is absolutely not on. How childish.

MrsKCastle · 13/10/2019 10:32

Betternamepending it certainly isn't how any of my colleagues would talk, thank goodness. There are many parents that can be exasperating at times, but we know that they all have their child's needs at heart. There might be the occasional rolling of eyes in the staff room, but 'laughing stock'? No.

Satina · 17/10/2019 18:48

Update: I didn't send the apology letter, as my plan is to apologise at parents evening for the way I presented my point and that I didn't mean to be disrespectful. Then breezily move on to how DD is settling in.
We've have lots of passing friendly encounters since.
They actually started sending decodable books home for a bit. It didn't last though.
Today we have:
-we play flutes
-we play guitars
etc.

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Feenie · 17/10/2019 18:52

When was their last Ofsted, Satina?

Satina · 17/10/2019 18:59

Last Ofsted was April this year. They got good.

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TeenPlusTwenties · 17/10/2019 18:59

Sad I'd like to suggest you write in the reading record:
"we did not read this as it is not yet decodable with the phonics so far taught"
but that probably wouldn't be constructive.

Maybe a post-it on the book saying "Jamie was sent home with this but it is too hard at the moment, please could it be replaced with a more easily decodable book?"

Feenie · 17/10/2019 19:03

Shame. They won't under the new orders, but that will probably be 2022 now Sad

Satina · 17/10/2019 19:43

Will the new Ofsted framework be explicit about phonics teaching, specifically not using mixed cueing in addition?

I think the difficulty is that our school 'are', in their eyes, following the national curriculum as they do teach synthetic phonics in a systematic way. So they have 20 minute phonics sessions every day and little activities where kids practice blending and segmenting. They do teach alternative spellings later on.

It's just that, in addition to this, they're using "other methods to appeal to all learning styles". Including learning words through repetition and guessing from the picture and first letter. I may think that's not following the NC, having read the research that the recommendations are based on, but I can see why they think they are doing the national curriculum, and then some.
Even if you said "the national curriculum says children should have decodable books" the school would think "well of course, we do give decodable books, we just give repetitive look-and-say books aswell".

I'm thinking this is a battle not worth fighting and I should just stay smiling and read our own books at home and keep correcting my DC when they guess.

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MoverOfPaper · 17/10/2019 21:43

I tend to agree with you Satina. Chose your battles and don’t die on this particular hill!

Have you seen these free to print alphabetic code charts?

www.alphabeticcodecharts.com/Training_illustrated_The%20English%20Alphabetic%20Code.pdf

I love them so much...

Satina · 17/10/2019 22:08

I have thank you.

Really appreciate the support you and some other posters have given me on this thread.

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Feenie · 17/10/2019 23:08

Will the new Ofsted framework be explicit about phonics teaching, specifically not using mixed cueing in addition?

Yes - if you go on the Ofsted website and check reports from September onwards, they are specifically commenting on this. Finally. I'm a Literacy Lead in a Facebook group of Leads and they are all panicking massively. They are giving comments such as mine about Ofsted only checking that they are actually have been following the statutory NC short shrift. It's so depressing that I am.considering leaving the group. Examples include:

it’s simply unrealistic to say that schools now need to ditch hundreds / thousands of books and somehow buy all new ones.
Plus - children need more strategies to learn to read other than simply always phonics.
I’m a bit baffled by all this. Surely we have the right to choose how to teach our children how to read? When did Ofsted get to dictate how we teach - I thought that had been dismissed?

Feenie · 17/10/2019 23:11

I'm confused.
Do you have reading books?
Are you teaching phonics? If so, why do the reading books have to match exactly to the phonics?
Does no one do whole word recognition, any more?
Or use picture books to talk about the story?

Feenie · 17/10/2019 23:12

But I question this approach as suggested by Ofsted. I don't work in an Ofsted school which is why I am confused.
So what happens when words are not phonetic? Common words can't be read phonetically (as well as many others in the English language).
Also, decoding is only one aspect of reading. What about encouraging the joy of books in general?

Feenie · 17/10/2019 23:14

There are loads more. These aren't just teachers, they are actual Literacy Leads. No training, no idea of recent research, even if documents dating back 15 years, or even the statutory National Curriculum they are in charge of delivering. It's scary.

Feenie · 17/10/2019 23:22

*even of

Kokeshi123 · 18/10/2019 03:18

Why is ITT not teaching teachers in SSP?

Satina · 18/10/2019 07:00

Feenie do you challenge these comments on the FB group? If you point people towards research are they adaptable?

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brilliotic · 18/10/2019 11:48

I feel a mild sense of relief from Feenie's examples.

Having realised that my DC's school was/is poor at teaching phonics, I have often wondered if I should have moved the children elsewhere. Not just for better phonics, but also because this inability/unwillingness to follow the statutory NC might indicate more problems to come further up the school too.
I did actually look at the most obvious alternative schools (as in, find out from friends who have kids there how things are done there) but realised that none of the local schools were particularly better than ours.
And yet every so often my mum-guilt kicks in and tells me I should have tried harder, looked further afield, not given up so easily.

Feenie's examples show me that it is quite likely I would not have found a better school (wrt phonics teaching) no matter how hard I tried, so I can lay that particular strand of mum-guilt to rest :)

Feenie · 18/10/2019 12:31

Yes, I do and no, they’re not. I actually had one Literacy Lead who told me that all the evidence was fabricated and the government made money from decodable books! I asked her if she wears a tin foil hat Grin

Well, brilliotic, that’s one way of looking at it, I guess?! Smile

Mumof21989 · 19/10/2019 18:38

I think the more they see pictures and words together it's a good thing. My DD is good at remembering the words based on the picture... E.g the cat, the ham, the dog.

I read it and point to the word and say it slowly anyway and she has already learnt to recognise words,,,, The, I and A. So personally it works for my DD.

It's best to let each child be their own person. My kids are opposites. The way they play, the foods they like, them amount of words they knew by 18 months, their confidence etc. Ones fearless and the other is always cautious. They've always slept differently etc. Confused

drspouse · 19/10/2019 18:56

I asked her if she wears a tin foil hat
This is funny but if it was a HV refusing to advocate vaccines it would be just as cringe worthy.

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