LGBT being taught to 5 year olds?

[JJ2018]

I have a question on this, can a parent ask their child to be removed from the class when this is being taught?

Don't journalists have to go through MNHQ for media requests like that?

Kat, parents like me? Is it wrong to be open minded? I am not an activist or anything, don't even have any strong view about it. Just merely explaining an everyday situation which is real for him. Is it wrong to teach your child to be kind and sympathetic to other people?

And Meandmetoo, thanks, that is definitely the fact the child needs to be explained. (But he already knows now, he is old enough.)

Katbond you're not making any sense right now.

At 5 years old he has only just learned to write his name and he believes in Santa. If you said LGBT 100 times in an assembly he could not pronounce or remember it.

At age 5, they are not teaching the mechanics of how to have gay sex. All it means is, as a teacher, I'm mindful in my classroom of using literature, videos and images that show more than just a traditional white middle class family. That I say 'yes, Joey has two mummies, isn't he lucky?', that when we are looking at the families unit that I make sure there is a blank family tree templates that allows for families where a child is donor conceived, or has two mums or two dads so a child doesn't have to have blank spaces on theirs. That I don't use language like 'boys line up and go to football' while 'girls go to cooking'. That I avoid saying 'get your mum to sign these forms tonight' because not everyone has a mum at home. It's about normalising different relationships in our everyday language, so that there's no need for special classes on teaching children that it's ok to have two mums because it will be completely normal to them.

That I don't use language like 'boys line up and go to football' while 'girls go to cooking

Then how do you explain the T. Gender is these very stereotypes.

It surely goes against what you try and teach?
You cant tell children that some people feel like a girl even though they have a body of a boy without using these stereotypes. And if schools are being trained to let them.use the toilets and changing rooms of the "gender they identify with" then what ever else you are trying to teach them. The message is still X is a girl because she likes dresses and playing with barbies.

Midnitescribbler I actually don't mind the whole someone has two mummies or daddies, It's the transgender subject I think is to young for my 5 year old. My boy doesn't have his biological mum or dad in his life and I didn't either. It's for me to make him feel his situation is normal but at the same time I can not deny that I'm a woman raising a man and it's very hard for a woman to teach a boy to be a man I know this from
First hand experience as this is a second generation in my family with no black male role model present, the statistics speak for themselves within my community (black community). In regards to not thinking a white family is normal, it's going to take more than a teacher with some cards to remove that perception, look at the story picture books in the school and the children's programmes on tv, Santa etc. But again it's for me as a parent to to teach him about subliminal messages in society and why they are there, everybody has a different view and it's for the parent to teach their child their view and then the child can make up their own mind when they are older, these things are to political for the class room and should be what I would call kitchen table talk!

Fine with LGB.

Not sure why T is grouped in full stop as it isn't a sexuality like LGB are.

No problem with LGB but the T I have big problems with. It is not a sexuality and I don't care what anyone says, gender is assigned at birth - whether you feel like it or not isn't the point. Hormone therapy, surgery and the whole transitioning is not to be taken lightly and I feel if taught at such a young age it puts such a wishy washy approach to it.
Fwiw when I was 5, I was adamant I was neither a boy or a girl, I was infact a sheep.

Above all else, just teaching kids to be kind and well mannered should be the priority.

I have been learning about biology, and from what I have read, and also what people I have met over the years, I realised T is not as simple thing as you'd imagine.

www.khanacademy.org/science/high-school-biology/hs-classical-genetics/hs-sex-linkage/a/x-inactivation

"Klinefelter syndrome, in which males have an extra X chromosome, leading to a genotype of XXY. (In rarer cases, Klinefelter syndrome can involve several extra Xs, leading to an XXXY or XXXXY genotype.) Affected men may be infertile or develop less dense body and facial hair than other men. Klinefelter syndrome is thought to affect 1 out of every 500 to 1000 male newborns."

So, if the person have xxy gene, is this person she, or he? In normal understanding, xx means female, xy means male.

gender is assigned at birth

Miss Polly, how does that apply to intersex children - children who are born with ambiguous genitalia with some male and some female characteristics? Historically, a gender HAS been assigned to these children at birth - but is that right?

Surely that is an increasingly small % of babies. Most babies it’s pretty obvious if they are male or female. And having looked at some CGSE biology books this week, yup it’s not hard.

From what I’ve read, intersex people are pissed off with being trollied out as the ‘seeee!!!!!’ argument for ‘assigned’ at birth.

Haven't read the literature, sorry Lord. I was only using them as the 'black swan' in the 'a single black swan proves that they are not all white' argument against the absolute statement "gender is assigned at birth".

Is chromosome analysis used to definitively assign those children a gender shortly after birth (I ask for interest - I don't know, but it would seem the obvious approach to use)? What gender is used for children with non-standard genetic makeup? Does 'Y'' always mean 'male' regardless of the number of X chromosomes?

Oh I’m not a sciencey type but from what I’ve read the doctors made an educated assumption on the sex of the child - but I’d trust an experienced doctor over some lay person to be honest.

@CantKeepAwayForever - hermaphrodite aren't transgender though really are they?
I'm talking about being told you can be whatever you want, or being gender fluid.
Girls being shamed for not wanting to share personal space ie. Changing rooms, toilets, women's prisons and the sort because it will come across as transphobic or discriminatory.
I honestly don't give a crap if it's PC or not but you are a man until your tackles been taken off, you can dress it up however you like but if the anatomy remains, you are what you are. As goes for women.

But MissPolly, that wasn't what you said. You said

I don't care what anyone says, gender is assigned at birth

and I was simply pointing out that in some cases, that either isn't possible, or can genuinely be wrong (or rather the binary version is wrong). I have done a little reading about intersex babies since posting, and what is taken into account is interesting - as well as the % of cases of intersex where the 'most likely' / 'best fit' gender given to these babies by medical professionals around the time of birth may not be biologically correct as these babies get older.

However, that doesn't affect my basic point. You stated categorically that gender is assigned at birth - and I was merely pointing out that this is not always correct.

For the context of the OP it is assigned at birth.
What you are talking about is already covered in human biology lessons later on in life anyway so there is no worry of it not being addressed somewhere down the line, just not to 5 year olds.

In primary school, it really is only teaching about the diversity of families. Some families have a mum and dad; some have a mum, dad and stepdad; some have two mums; some have foster parents; some live with grandparents.

What 5 year olds should know:
Not every family is the same. Some families have 1 mummy and a daddy, some have 2 mummy’s, some have 2 daddy’s or just a mummy or a daddy.

Girls can wear “boys” clothes and play with “boys” toys. And that’s completely fine and there’s nothing wrong with them.
Boys can wear “girls” clothes and play with “girls” toys. And that’s completely fine and there’s nothing wrong with them.

@ANewNameIsWhat

What 5 year olds should know: Not every family is the same. Some families have 1 mummy and a daddy, some have 2 mummy’s, some have 2 daddy’s or just a mummy or a daddy.

Girls can wear “boys” clothes and play with “boys” toys. And that’s completely fine and there’s nothing wrong with them.
Boys can wear “girls” clothes and play with “girls” toys. And that’s completely fine and there’s nothing wrong with them.

Would it. It be more helpful to avoid labelling toys as for boys or girls? I find the 1950s- style obsession with categorisation and stereotyping one of the most peculiar aspect of the current gender issue frenzy.

"My son wants to play with dolls and wear pink". "My daughter wants to cut her hair and have a toy tractor". Oh they must be gender fluid! Or perhaps they are a boy who likes pink and girls who likes short hair?