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JJ2018 · 2019-04-09T00:37:15+00:00

I have a question on this, can a parent ask their child to be removed from the class when this is being taught?

SarahTancredi · 09/04/2019 20:21

As the end of the day these people are human with emotions and feelings, they are just like you and I, and you having your snowflake rant doesn't contribute anything towards the topic

And these are also amongst those being failed. Between stone walls massive and ever expanding umbrella definition of trans and the subsequent teaching indoctriniation of children, and whatever else going on In society that has resulted in a 4 thousand percentage increase in girls identifying as trans, the waiting lists have increased and people who arent medically trained are pushing immediate affirmation to any questioning child.

Those with genuine dysphoria are now having to wait even longer to see somebody. And many people who would other wise grow out of, or what is a perfectly normal phase, are now on a path that may not be the best thing for them long term.

None of it is helping anyone.

What we really need to do is teach children its om to play with and wear what you like. That theres no such thing as boys toys or girls toys. Girls thrive in all girls schools because theres no one in the lessons telling them that they shouldn't be doing stuff.

WeepingWillowWeepingWino · 09/04/2019 20:29

Hitchy We know there are trans people on here. A number of them would agree with everything S1naid has said.

And if we keep having to care about other people’s feelings then this massive imposition on women’s and children’s rights will continue unabated. Now, maybe you don’t care about women’s rights. But I would hope that the majority of posters on a parenting forum would give a massive shit about children’s rights and safeguarding, which are under threat from trans ideology.

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Amongstthetallgrass · 09/04/2019 20:42

S1naidSucks isn’t ranting. Maybe you should stop trying to bait her.

Yes people do have feeling but that doesn’t mean that people’s feelings override scientific facts. Your post Hinchy is exactly the reason why I don’t want trans issues discussed in school yet till people have had the chance to go over the material. School is a place of facts and learning. I don’t want my child taught people’s feelings override truths and we must lie to protect those ‘feelings’. People that do not agree with lying are not the ones being the ‘snowflakes’ (as you put it) here...

Hitchyhero · 09/04/2019 20:55

Amongstthetallgrass

Why do triggered people always imply something was said when it wasnt. Where did I say facts override feelings. Can you pin point exactly where I said that.

My guess is that you can't, because your a bit of a snowflake. What I said was.... You may not agree with how certain people live their lives (lesbians gay bi, trans, religious, athiest, and so on).....I don't care about that.

But as I said, they should be taught to be respectful to the person no matter what. You want the truth? As I said ... Trans are still humans with feelings, and comments like the one calling it an adult fetish doesn't help.

Do I agree what trans people do? No. But then that's their decision. Not mine. But I am still respectful to them, and I'm sure many of then are nice people just trying to live their life as best they can.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 09/04/2019 21:01

I don’t understand why they don’t have assemblies in being kind and not bullying people. I don’t see as much effort being put into reminding children to be charitable, considerate to the elderly, kind to pets, understanding to people with a disablity or disfigurement, kids with one parent, or 2 mums, care for the environment, etc.

That’s what we had in the 1970. And I remember a book in primary school called something like ‘Fred has 2 dads’ and thinking ‘so what?’.

What happens after the 70s then? It’s all become so focussed on T.

waytooyoungforthis · 09/04/2019 21:08

Why do people accuse people of ranting/being triggered/snowflakes when they can’t deal with some one else’s point of view

You may not agree with how certain people live their lives (lesbians gay bi, trans, religious, athiest, and so on).....I don't care about that

Wow where did I say any of that?? Weird. Are you triggered right now as your talking crazy. Have you read my posts up thread? Just to recap - I don’t have any issues of LGB being taught - in fact I want it taught. My cousin is married to another woman, I have gay friends, like I said it’s our way of life. Where the hell have you got religion from?

You don’t agree with what trans do? What do you mean? Because I believe that if a person wants to live as a trans gender person they should have that opportunity. And you will be hard pushed to find some one on MN who doesn’t

So yeah, what do you mean you don’t agree with it?

SleepingSloth · 09/04/2019 21:10

I don’t understand why they don’t have assemblies in being kind and not bullying people. I don’t see as much effort being put into reminding children to be charitable, considerate to the elderly, kind to pets, understanding to people with a disablity or disfigurement, kids with one parent, or 2 mums, care for the environment

They do have assemblies and workshops on these topics. At least the schools I've had any involvement in do.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 09/04/2019 21:10

Glad to hear it!

Amongstthetallgrass · 09/04/2019 21:17

hinchy it was me that posted under waytoyoung name change slip from a thread I posted on Sunday.

cantkeepawayforever · 09/04/2019 21:48

I don’t understand why they don’t have assemblies in being kind and not bullying people. I don’t see as much effort being put into reminding children to be charitable, considerate to the elderly, kind to pets, understanding to people with a disablity or disfigurement, kids with one parent, or 2 mums, care for the environment, etc.

We do indeed have assemblies on all of these .. and a whole lot else ...

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JJ2018 · 10/04/2019 02:30

Yes I am religious, no I'm not homophobic. My child is 5 and I will teach him about different types of families when the time is right. We're not a conventional family as I'm a single person raising him, I'm not the biological mother I'm a relative and I was raised by a relative who wasn't my parents, so I've never had a conventional family. This was never discussed as part of the curriculum when I was at school yet I'm fine 🤷🏾‍♀️.

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JJ2018 · 10/04/2019 02:46

At 5 years old he has only just learned to write his name and he believes in Santa. If you said LGBT 100 times in an assembly he could not pronounce or remember it. He doesn't even remember what day it is he just knows to play and be kind. Im a believer in letting children be children for as long as possible and it's not for you to tell me what he needs to know at such an early age because you're not raising him I am. Also there are two sides to the argument about being transgender, pharmaceutical companies are making a fortune off the hormones they produce and sell to people going through this transition and there has been no long term Reseach in regards to what effects they will have on the body, many people haven't even been told that it's a life long process. When he is old enough to understand the world we live in I will have him meet a person who has had the operation and been happy with it and someone who has regretted it and let him make up his own mind about what his thoughts are on transgender. That's how I'm choosing to raise him regardless of what you think. You people don't always know best, look at the problems with the inner city and knife crime. He will have to learn about that before he learns about relationships as that's the reality of where I live!

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scissorlover · 10/04/2019 02:46

Stonewall say that 'some people are lesbians; get over it'. No, some women are lesbians.

Wait...are women not people?

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JJ2018 · 10/04/2019 02:49

I've no idea what you're talking about?

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scissorlover · 10/04/2019 02:53

Sorry JJ2018 was responding to the poster who wrote the sentence I quoted

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JJ2018 · 10/04/2019 02:57

I really couldn't care what people are straight, gay, trans etc. I just want to teach my child about things properly when he emotionally and mentally mature enough to understand and meet people who has gone through the process and understand the arguments for and against it and meet those happy with the process and unhappy with it.

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Hitchyhero · 10/04/2019 07:17

**I really couldn't care what people are straight, gay, trans etc. I just want to teach my child about things properly when he emotionally and mentally mature enough to understand and meet people who has gone through the process and understand the arguments for and against it and meet those happy with the process and unhappy with it.

How the hell do gay parents manage so early???

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JJ2018 · 10/04/2019 08:11

That's makes no sense you clearly didn't read my what I said 🙄

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Chlo1674 · 10/04/2019 08:27

OP I completely agree with you in that a five year old is too young to understand the topic properly. Most of them probably still believe in things like Santa and the tooth fairy at that age. I don’t understand the need to teach children about sexual attraction (gay, straight, whatever), and relationships from such an early age?? They will have plenty of time to know about sex and relationships when they are older. Can we not just let them be innocent children for just a bit longer? I would say around 9/10 would seem a better age to teach this sort of thing. I did laugh when I saw your comment “and understand the arguments for and against”. You’re either gay or your not

Blondmuminlondon · 10/04/2019 08:29

The argument for and against is to do with transgender and the process do read my earlier posts.

WeepingWillowWeepingWino · 10/04/2019 08:32

scissor as I think you well understand, Stonewall want ‘lesbian’ to be expanded to included men. It doesn’t. ‘Lesbian’ excludes men, regardless of how they identify. It is a sexuality and nothing to do with gender.

Exclusion isn’t always a bad thing, but I think the endless mantra of inclusivity has made people think that any kind of exclusion must be A Very Bad Thing.

JJ you seem to have a very low opinion of your DC’s understanding abilities, and what’s hard to understand? Plenty of children aged 5 and even younger have understood that a family can be made up in different ways. I’m pretty sure DD was still at nursery when she asked if two women could get married and I was very pleased to tell her that yes, they could.

MumUnderTheMoon · 10/04/2019 08:33

These classes aren't about teaching children the particulars of how to be gay or trans etc. They are to teacher kids that all differences including things like race and religion aught to be respected and that we should be kind to one another. The aim is to reduce bullying, parents overreactions to this are exactly why these classes are needed.

SarahTancredi · 10/04/2019 08:36

Then now do you explain the Brighton school that has like 75 trans children.

Where is this all coming from if they are simply teaching them that sometimes boys wear dresses

Why are kids coming home confused as hell having been told they must be trans because a girl has short hair and likes football.

How do you explain it at any level without implanting the ideas that likes and dislikes , books, toys etc all have a gender.

VashtaNerada · 10/04/2019 08:46

Can you remove your child from SRE lessons? Currently, yes.

Can you prevent your child’s teacher from ever mentioning same-sex couples? Absolutely not. It’s not a lesson in itself, part of being a teacher is constantly discussing different types of families and diverse role models. You couldn’t possibly stop that from happening.