LGBT being taught to 5 year olds?

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I have a question on this, can a parent ask their child to be removed from the class when this is being taught?

Weepingwillowweepingwino I'm sure your child understood and that's great for you but I know my child and he doesn't understand and I am raising him the way I want, so why can't I teach him as and when I wang to? He doesn't watch TV or go on the iPad so maybe he is less exposed to the world than most that's my choice

Don't worry OP. Children have been taught about relationships, sex education and sexual health for many years.

Sadly it has not stopped pregnancy, divorce or STD.

If someone has somehw devised a LGBT friendly curriculum that persuades 5 year olds to turn gay/transgender by dint of a twenty minute lesson once in a blue moon then that is a miracle - if only it was that easy to teach kids anything. We would have a nation of slim,bilingual,literate, numerate , road safety aware ,healthy eating, tolerant and kind humans.

The purpose of the teaching will be to teach 5 year olds that there are other family models, so that their classmate with two mummies feels that there is nothing wrong with their family.

I’d only worry if they were telling children that they can change their sex. And that gender is set in stone.

Schools are being trained by people who recommend the allsorts tool kit.

How can a school receive training that tells them that a transgirl should not be removed from the girls changing room at school whilst simultaneously not telling children that their choices of toy means the are a girl.

It simply just does not add up does it. That a school would tell children that some people might like stuff typically thought of as "belonging" to the other gender whilst expecting them to change next to a biological boy and accept that they are a girl on the bases of dresses and toys.

I would like to see how you would explain how the two scenarios would co exist without confusing the other children

I'd want to know the contents of the teaching material. I am fine with my Yr1 child knowing some kids have same sex parents and it's ok to fall in love with a person of the same sex (she already knows this anyway as there's a kid in her class with two mothers), but I want to know what they are being taught regarding transgender as it is a movement steeped in quack science and sexist stereotypes, being promoted by some extremely dodgy people.

What's been happening at the Tavistock should ring alarm bells.

The Times article said something like referrals to the gender reassignment clinic had gone up from about 90 to about 2000 and the youngest referral was age 3.
So yes I would want to know what my child’s school was teaching pupils about gender reassignment and if the teaching material was influenced by mermaids, Allsorts or stonewall I would be very concerned.

3? What does a child ‘know’ at 3? So a boy chooses to play with fairy wings and princess dresses. So they might be gay? Maybe or maybe not.

I was at secondary achool with a boy who was quite ‘girly’. He never said anything about his sexuality and everyone just assumed he was gay.

Last heard of living abroad, doing ‘manly work’ with a wife and loads of kids. I remember his friend reunited post ‘and you all assumed I was gay!’.

I think its brillant just means no more family values and we all want to change into LGBT+ ABCD.

• Why can't a gay man be called a mum - equality does act allows this ?

*Trans will be able to lead PE lessons & be present in changing rooms. Why not allow men into the ladies toliet now ? no equality?

In 2018, Penny Mordaunt, Minister for Women and Equalities, ordered an inquiry into the 4,400 per cent rise in children wanting to change their sex (let see what the rate will be in 2030 when they confuse the crap of your child). We will have clinics all across the UK promoting gender reassiagment like Tavistock using kids for their experiments. i think we need more clinics so we can experiment on kids.

*next we will teach our kids we are not humans - ref woman says she is a cat trapped in a human body see the telegraph.

*birth rates will decline another good thing - we are a commenwealth country - we will just import the population.

“conversion therapy,” sometimes known as “reparative therapy,” is a range of dangerous and discredited practices that falsely claim to change a person’s sexual orientation or gender identity or expression. This what will happen from 5years to 16years . I can't wait to fly the LGBT+ flag which will be to protect them.

Kids are especially vulnerable, and conversion therapy can lead to depression, anxiety, drug use, homelessness, and suicide.

@viques why don't we send your child to Tavistock to help them out ?

you got nothing to worry it will be age friendly

let us know so we can refer you, he/she or is your child gender netural ?

@WhatTheWatersShowedMe if your fine with LGBT education materal then why are you discriminating against trans people ?

katbond I think you have misread my post! I am of the opinion that most of the angst re teaching children about LGBT issues will turn out to be hysteria when the curriculum is finally revealed because it will no doubt be very subdued, as most curriculum innovations attempting to change social mores turn out to be. My point is that while schools are extremely good at teaching numeracy and literacy and other academic subjects they are notoriously poor at teaching curriculum content that covers social issues and life style. Were we better at it we would all be the rounded, socially aware, polite, well informed,bilingual,literate and numerate society that well over 150 years of state funded education is supposed to have produced.

My daughter thanks you for your concern, but since she is a fully committed heterosexual and aged over 40 she doesn't think the Tavistock will take her on.

Tavistock is nothing waiting until @BerylCrow RSE is taught. I can't wait to see horror stories on this forum from mum's.

My point is that while schools are extremely good at teaching numeracy and literacy and other academic subjects they are notoriously poor at teaching curriculum content that covers social issues and life style.

I am not sure whether it is about being 'notoriously poor at teaching' these subjects, or whether the teaching of such subjects in school has relatively little influence on actual lifestyle actions, compared with the influence of parents, the community, and latterly online material?

There was a survey quite recently about how many times each year it is said that 'schools must teach their pupils about....', and how little time that would leave for teaching core academic subjects.

Do we think that schools are the right medium for creating change in terms of social issues and lifestyle? If we take diet as a perhaps less contentious area, I agree that schools should teach basic cookery skills, and should teach basic scientific facts about metabolism, the role of different foods in the diet and their effects on the body etc. Whether schools should be considered able to affect the obesity crisis through teaching about healthier lifestyles etc is less clear to me - the vast majority of food preparation and consumption, for example, is not on the school premises.

Equally, while schools can teach basic facts about a variety of religions, and a variety of family and relationship structures, and both model and teach about kindness / tolerance to others in the school context, do we really think that this teaching will influence the religion that a child follows, or their attitudes towards others, if they are brought up in and surrounded by a particular religious community or amongst adults who all model a particular prejudice?

I don't think anyone should be overestimating the role of schools as institutions here. In a school with a very high number of trans pupils, it is vanishingly unlikely that school is the over-riding influence, over and above family, community and peers.

Just ask your DC what they are being taught, and then correct them with facts if needs be. Seems to be working with my two. They keep asking me to confirm bits and bobs that have been touched upon in school.

My ds has been friend with a child who had two mums, no dad. What would you do in that situation?

I really don't want to get into the convo like that. I was just stating a fact about what was happening around my ds. Thanks fully, I don't really think he is confused, or have skewed view. He is growing up to think some of his friend has 2 Mums instead of Mum and Dad. I have told my ds that sometimes women can love woman, and man can love man, instead of man loving woman. I don't have a strong view. Just don't want to prejudice my child, that's all.

Irvine, I just explained to my DS (same situation) that there is a biological dad because a baby can't be made without one, but for whatever reason they are probsbly not involved, and family is often so much more than just biology.

You need to find out exactly what they are being taught.

Personally, my kids being taught:

That men can marry men and women can marry women, and not all relationships are male/female - absolutely fine. In fact they don't need to be taught this because they already know from me.

Unsubstantiated utter bollocks about some people being born in the 'wrong' body, or that boys can become girls and vice versa - not ok. In fact I'm bracing for when this hits my child's school as part of 'LGBTQIA+-x÷ edcuation'.

@irvineoneohone of course you protecting him but not confusing him.

I think its clear he will grow thinking his mum can act both roles so whats the need of a dad or mum ?

why not tell him some days he can change into a girl and some days he can be a boy. if same sex is ok then genderless society is perfect for people who are pro LGBT. Parents like you are the reason why we have a confused education system. Educating children about LGBT+ - / is wrong its going to cause depression in kids and peer pressure is going to make them say they are boy = girl when they might be doing to impress another trans pupil.

KS1 SRE is about making friends, being kind and families. The context of LGBT relates to the different make-up of families, ie, that some families have one parent, some two; some parents live together, some don't. Sometimes a family had a mum and a dad, sometimes a mum and a mum and sometimes a dad and a dad.
Additonally, some families can be made up of parents who don't live with each other but live with other people and children may spend their time between the two.
Some children are born to their parents and some children are chosen by their parents because the parents they were born to were not able to look after them.
Learning Objective: We all have different family set ups but they are all normal and as balanced human beings, we accept that difference does not mean wrong.

But @hollyED, 'the protests' are about teaching children re the existence and normality of gay relationships, WHICH NO-ONE ON THIS THREAD HAS A PROBLEM WITH

The concerns expressed here are about elements of child safeguarding re 'wrong body' ideology and Tavistock scenarios.

Read the room.

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