LGBT being taught to 5 year olds?

[JJ2018]

I have a question on this, can a parent ask their child to be removed from the class when this is being taught?

It’s ironic really @Goldendust. They aren’t teaching children this stuff to teach children to question themselves. They want to teach children this as a subject so they don’t grow up with small minded and intolerant views like yours.

Get a grip of yourself FFS.

I feel this is a great topic to be discussed with children of all ages. We have two LO's, 3 and 5 and they are both fully aware that a boy can love a boy and a girl can love a girl etc.

I feel there are too many young people who often say they didn't 'come out' as they feared rejection or worse, and I couldn't bare to think that my children couldn't be open and honest with me.

I am a headteacher of a small village school in the shire counties and we have a strong push on equalities in all areas (as we are almost exclusively white monocultural). We talk to the children about difference (eg racial, religious, physical ability, academic, family make-up, sex, sexuality) from the moment they walk through the door. It is very rare that anybody has any issues with it, as it is merely drawing the children's attention to different features about the world we live in. We do not encourage the children to be a different race, or to believe a certain religion, or to consider themselves blind, or to choose a particular sexuality, but we do encourage them to consider what life is like for people with all these differences. We draw their attention to the fact that Hitler targeted gay people and the Gypsy/Roma community as well as Jews, and consider how 'othering' people can lead to division and mistrust. As a Church of England school, we draw people's attention to the teaching of the church (Valuing All God's Children) which is that all are loved and equally valued and that everybody has a responsibility to challenge homophobic, biphobic and transphobic bullying and prejudice. As far as I am aware, we have not converted anybody to become gay, or Gypsy/Roma, or a certain religion, or disabled. My gay brother, on the other hand, has said that despite having Baywatch and a straight culture pushed down his throat for years, he still 'chose' the gay life, which rather negates the fear that exposure to something automatically leads you to take it on.
I do sometimes get parents with concerns and try to meet them where they are at in their thought processes, as concerns are usually through ignorance. On the rare occasions I am met with a brick wall, I suggest they transfer their child to the madrasa school in the local city, as they will get a gay-free education there.
OP, I suggest you talk to the school to find out exactly what is likely to be taught, and also try to get your concerns clear in your own mind. You might be pleasantly surprised.

Its nothing to do with tolerance though grand

They dont get men in smart skirts and blouses to come in and read stories. They get men in pornified versioms of woman face coming in.

I dont think.defining homosexuality and two people of the same gender attracted is particularly tolerant either. Its denying same sex attraction.

I haven't seen the new curriculum but rest assured it is highly unlikely that transgenderism will be even mentioned until Upper KS2 at the earliest.
Because 9 year olds are SO mature and able to handle doublethink?

And yet, my DCs' school told one of my DCs that a 6 year old in their class is now a girl, in fact has always been a girl owing to liking pink and wanting long hair. And when I complained the HT told me this is not SRE and that they can tell my child what they want, when they want to, in lessons or out of lessons.

If I had had education about LGBT as a young child I could have avoided spending my teens and twenties as a homophobic bigot. Thankfully, in the main due to some incredibly kind and generous of spirit people, I was educated, changed my thought processes and I stopped being such a twat.
A little education earlier and I wouldn’t have had my head filled with such appalling bigotry which I am deeply embarrassed to admit to.
All my children were given material and education about LGBT at primary school age and have no such issues. I believe that lack of education is incredibly damaging.

I believe that lack of education is incredibly damaging
Yes it is.

But so is the wrong kind of education.

And there is no way to teach transgenderism without resorting to harmful stereotypes and telling children that it's not ok to have boundaries.

I think it depends what they are teaching. I don't know how anyone can object if they don't know exactly what they are objecting to.

I think schools will be more mindful after seeing the recent protests. I doubt there'll be any issue if a parent wants their child to opt out.

Quite possibly but I am probably talking more about the LGB part. I get the impression posters like Goldendust are focussed on homosexuality and ‘catching the gay’.
I think if we focus too much on trans then numerous children will be left in the position I was which will be hugely damaging to an accepting society.

If I had had education about LGBT as a young child I could have avoided spending my teens and twenties as a homophobic bigot I think that says more about you than it does about the lack of lgbT teaching in school. I don’t want young lesbian girls growing up to think they’re bigots if they don’t accept cock, if said cock belongs to someone who identifies as a lesbian. I don’t want young children to be taught that they are not the sex they are born as, if they don’t follow sexist stereotypes and like the ‘wrong’ toys, colours, sports. I don’t want children growing up believing fake science and that they can change sex.

The trouble is one erases the other.

So on one hand its brilliant fir kids to know that 2 dads is normal. 2.mums is normal . My kids have already been told that two men or two women can get married.

But

Stonewall who are often behind alot of training and resource packs and have previously done brilliant work re supporting lesbians and gay men, are still being used even though they have thrown them under a bus now.

Their definition of homosexuality is same gender attracted. They have erased same sex attraction. You cant have both. You cant have same sex attraction when Male and female is reduced to feelings.

www.stonewall.org.uk/help-advice/glossary-terms#h

Here

What's your issue with it OP?

I've taught my 6yo, from day one, that you love who you love. I've never sat him down specifically and discussed it but I've said things like you can marry a boy or a girl etc in order to normalise LGB etc.

along with that, I simply don't understand how schools can teach human biology and mammalian reproduction if they buy into trans ideology. Either you think biological sex is a thing or you don't. Can't have it both ways.

Stonewall say that 'some people are lesbians; get over it'. No, some women are lesbians.

Thanks S1naidSucks It took a lot of courage to write that post and you’ve just made me feel wonderful. I’ll just go back into my self hating box shall I?I don’t think the T part was even thought about in the early 70s when I was at primary but being gay/lesbian was.
I wouldn’t want my daughter taught that not accepting cock makes her a bigot but I am concerned that opening the flood gates to homophobic parents withdrawing their children from lessons and making it acceptable will mean that acceptance of homosexuality as normal is allowed to take a back seat. Throwing the baby out with the bath water type of thing.

At my school at that age we don't have LGBT lessons that you could opt out of we are teaching it through making sure we read a range of stories like 'the king and king' 'tango makes 3' including pictures or different types of people and families in displays etc, mentioning different family's in discussions so that it is just normal.

I would say, in every case like this, what is really, really important is seeing the material that will actually be used in the classroom.

I deliver SRE lessons every year as a primary school teacher, and every year one of the teaching team delivers the lessons / shows all the material to a small group of parents who are concerned enough abut what is being taught to want to see it. We have never had a parent withdraw their child after seeing the material, though almost all the group who attend the parental sessions have initially intended to withdraw their children.

There's often a disconnect between what we as adults might 'expect / fear' would be in SRE lessons (of all types, including LGBT), and what is actually said / shown - so if in doubt, you should always speak to your individual school directly.

the problem is that both sexuality and religious belief are protected characteristics, and every Abrahamic religion is, to a greater or lesser extent, homophobic.

So how are schools meant to balance these?

Travellinghappy

Don't let people on here upset you. It's good that you realised the views you held were wrong and it takes courage to admit that.

There are posters on this thread who are regulars on threads like this and hold some very strong views that try to shock with their wording and aren't happy that people don't have an issue with these lessons. Everyone I know in real life is happy with these lessons.

Travellinghappy I don’t think most parents care about the lgb part of the teaching, but have genuine reasons to be concerned about the T part, if Stonewall have any involvement in the teaching. I don’t see how anything I’ve said would make you hate yourself. 🤷‍♀️ Some schools have embraced the stonewall teaching, which is incredibly harmful to young children.

Trans and lgb are completely different. Lgb = being attracted to the same sex (or both) Trans = stating that you ARE the other sex and in some cases accusing LG people of being bigots for not accepting those with the sexual organs of the opposite sex. HUGE difference. Lgb people don’t force/manipulate others to believing they MUST sleep with those of the opposite sex. They don’t demand access to areas put aside for those of the opposite sex, etc.

Kids are in a Catholic school. As I understand it, the lessons aren't homophobic. They are taught to be tolerant and respectful towards all walks of life. I wouldn't go as far to say they are taught that homosexuality is normal, but certainly not taught that it's wrong.

I think there are a huge number of parents who would rather their children did not know gay/lesbians exist at least until they are in their teens. If you only mix with people who have the same views as yourself then you don’t see it as they are not the type who post on forums like this or write to newspapers etc.
I see a lot of this in my line of work and it is becoming more outspoken and it’s frightening. Campaigns like that in Birmingham have made it somehow more acceptable. Comments such as ‘dont Let that Lezza touch me’ are becoming a daily occurrence and more amongst the young than previously. I don’t for one moment think they have just started thinking it but it is becoming more mainstream in certain parts of society.