Daughter's teacher called her a numpty

[Ottermum23]

Hi all,
We have a lovely little daughter, in year3.
She is a very enthusiastic learner, who always loved school and loves academic challenges.
This year, she had a new teacher, who is not the nicest, but nevertheless, We thought, just give her the benefit of a doubt.
Our girl been contstantly saying, that the teacher shouts, and today, she said, she called her a numpty, as she accidentally started to do her writing on someone else's book.

I find this very frustrating and just would like to hear others opinions.
Thank you.

Well, this is all very reinventing-the-wheel and stating-the-bleeding-obvious isn't it?

Children are hurt by persistent name-calling, by peers, family members and other adults and may well start doing the same themselves. No shit Sherlock and hold the front page.

Except THAT'S NOT WHAT HAPPENED HERE!

PS studies into the effects of name-calling would be better addressed from a sociolinguistic perspective than a psycholinguistic one, surely?

user1499173618 I just have one final question for you. Why are you so unwilling to point us in the direction of this research? I’d have thought that as you feel so passionately about the subject, and it is the focus of your research, you’d be keen to share this with others? Especially as there are school teachers on this thread who, if you are correct, could learn something from the research and change their methods? It just seems strange that you don’t want to do this.

User, what search terms should we use on our database search for this research?

I don't think we're going to find the research. I had a little search today in my University's online library and couldn't find anything of the sort.

I searched too and asked a couple of colleagues ( I'm an academic in an education faculty) and found nothing. If it exists I suspect it's @users own personal project

Parents who never name call very rarely have children who do so.
Right...
I've heard kids with lovely quiet parents joke about how someone was a daft cunt at the weekend at a party. I'm sure their parents regularly drop the f bomb every 5 seconds too.
Strictly speaking user you could do with looking up research on teenage vernacular and sociolects before continuing to make sweeping statements designed to sound superficially clever whilst saying very little.

wonders if there is a bridge close by

Get some perspective

@BlaaBlaaBlaa exactly. 'If'!!

@user1499173618
I'm a few days late to the party but this comment has made me really cross and leaves me with no choice but to disregard all comments made by you now as you clearly have no idea.
you do realise that a lot of training for the classroom is absolute rubbish? That education departments are full of ideology and low on science?

I'm involved in teacher training at one of the top TT places in the country. So much emphasis is put on research and constant reflection that I'm stunned you would think teacher training is full of ideology and low on science. You clearly know nothing.

Its just a way of talking...I often say "what a 'nana" (as in banana), or use numpty, if they do something silly . Some say "Giddy Kipper" others have various terms....its not being horrible, its having a laugh with them...usually the children have told you about something silly they did. It usually means no-one is cross, just that they've done a daft thing! Like writing in their book the wrong way round or some such mishap....heck I even say I am numpty when I do things wrong, which makes children laugh!

Teachers can't win. If they're formal and professional, they're not supporting the emotional reds of the children. If informal, it's not "family or friends" etc.

Most teachers will naturally develop a more informal relationship with children as they get to know them, won't they?

And this thread right here highlights the main reason why there is a teacher recruitment crisis- no respect for education or teachers. Gove managed to tear down the professional so much that parents routinely treat teachers like their paid servants rather than dedicated educators.

This is the tenth thread this week where a parent wants to storm up to school for something minor and harass the teacher. Fucking home school if you’re this sensitive and do us all a favour. Sheesh.

Tell you what, OP. You’re right. It was fucking evil of that teacher to try to build a friendly rapport with your child. Storm up to school and demand that the teacher is replaced with a teacher of your choice. No really, you are the laying customer here. You should get exactly what you want. And bollocks to the other kids in the class. You’ve already pointed out that most of them are on benefits. They don’t deserve a say. Just bowl right up to the school and try your hardest to get that poor woman sacked for making a light hearted reference to you child and speaking firmly to the class.

Do you know what, even better, volunteer to teach the class yourself. You obviously seem to think British teachers are shit. Show them how it’s done.

MissSusanSays 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

@MissSusanSays Thank you! Best post I've read on here in ages! 👏 x

Good morning OP, I know I'm late to the party but just thought I'd comment:

1. I wouldn't be too concerned with the use of numpty, I'd prefer that to a lot of other names in the world lol.

2. it's difficult when you see your child going through a new class and feeling it. To see them lack confidence or change to a new setting is unsettling to us all and our tiger instincts do peak. I would try and explain to DD that every teacher does do things differently and the shouting may be the only way she feels like she's heard (even if it's not the case)

As she grows older and through her adult life she's going to encounter people who she doesn't feel comfortable with or like but she'll have to get it on with her job then so this is perhaps a good building curve for in the future.

I feel like the numpty thing peaked your tiger mum instincts and made it as a more sensitive issue. To me that's the sign of a wonderful mum wanting to protect her child but unfortunately we can't always protect them. Hopefully your DD will completely settle and become used to the louder authoritative voice for year and then next September have a quiet teacher again.

YAY!

I bet User is a right barrel of laughs at parties.

This is a non-issue IMO.

When I was at primary school we had a teacher who at the end of a session on computers would shout “right you lot - log off and bog off”, and everyone found it hilarious. To my knowledge no one was offended or complained to the school. I think there has a been a serious lack of sense of humour of the last few decades. Teachers are human too - not robots.

Just curious: have the words "idiot" and "stupid" always been highly offensive, much more so than "daft", "numpty" and "silly billy", or is it only recently they're now considered unacceptable, up there with the highly offensive word "retard"?

In the 1980s I'm sure I remember teachers using "stupid" and "idiot" all the time. A typical exchange was:
Teacher: What word goes here? So the wicked queen sent a hunter.
Boy: to?
Teacher: Are you stupid?

The White Witch (to Edmund): "What, pray, are you?.... I see you are an idiot, whatever else you may be."

I'm sure also Professor Flitwick calls Hagrid an idiot in the film of Goblet of Fire.

Why thank you @PhilomenaButterfly and @Flatwhite32

I do get hacked off with vexatious complaints. It make the actual issues so much harder to see.

Not so long ago it was considered entirely normal for schools to use corporal punishment to control children. Verbal violence as a means of control has also become less common, thank goodness, but there is still some way to go...

@user but that the OP described us not 'verbal violence'

Still refusing to tell us where we can find the research you've waxed lyrical about??

*is not

Any form of name calling in a school setting is verbal violence.

“Numpty” is perhaps the equivalent of a tap on the hand with a ruler whereas “idiot” might be the equivalent of a beating. Both are forms of unacceptable language.