Page 17 | Our primary school says if children need medicine at specific times 'pop' in & DIY

wonkywillow · 2018-01-30T14:13:26+00:00

Surely this penalises busy working parents, with occupations where they can't just 'pop' in? Or a parent who simply has other pressing commitments.. Can schools actually do this? They seem to be negating their responsibilities towards providing education and support for children with long term medical conditions that require regular medication.

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wonkywillow · 31/01/2018 23:58

I don’t KNOW you OP.

Oh, no, you don't do you?

don’t like your rhetoric. I don’t like it because I think it promotes a dynamic that is damaging to the parents and children who find themselves in situations like ours.

Don't worry I have used my rhetoric countless times before and it has proved beneficial to parents and children in situations where there are additional needs that are not being met by schools.

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MidniteScribbler · 01/02/2018 00:04

However I can also support other parents to do those things. I can also raise discussion of this subject within school and as I have done, on Mumsnet and amongst other groups of interested parties.

Show me ONE post where a parent has said that their school has refused to administer medication to a child with a diagnosed medical condition. Just one.

t1mum3 · 01/02/2018 05:43

This thread is one of the most fucking depressing things I've ever read. Schools are the organisations we entrust our kids to during school hours. They are in loco parentis - legally they have a duty of care.

t1mum3 · 01/02/2018 05:44

And that comes from someone whose child was self-administering insulin for a full year before he was considered to have enough manual dexterity to use a fountain pen.

Norestformrz · 01/02/2018 06:39

Are you happy for someone with no medical expertise to inject your child's insulin? I've got to be honest it terrifies me.

Cherrycokewinning · 01/02/2018 06:45

What kind of medical expertise do you think you need to inject insulin?

This thread is utterly bizarre. Why would the OP need to speak to her school? She doesn’t have a child requiring meds. She is having a conversation/ debate on mumsnet. Which is what it’s for

KayaG · 01/02/2018 06:50

Individual teaching staff may not not have any legal obligations in this area but schools certainly do. Yawn.

And if all staff refuse the LEA's solution is home tuition - as stated pages ago.

MaisyPops · 01/02/2018 06:57

Are you expecting people to be impressed that you were instrumental in getting teachers to leave their jobs?
Do you like to think people are afraid of you, OP?

About 12 pages ago (must be thay long) I said the OP sounds more interested in pushing forward their own 'i'm a victim who is single handedly uncovering a conspriacy across a whole sector becauee i read a line in a newsletter' thing.

The more the thread goes on, the more obvious that becomes.
I've seen staff bullied out of jobs ajd pushed to breakdowns because of parents feeling proud their actions had 'got rid' of a teacher. Absolutely hellish and utterly nasty.

I agree with the PP. It sounds like you absolutely love to feel powerful and feel like staff should be afraid of you.

stayingaliveisawayoflife · 01/02/2018 07:12

Slightly derailing here. The Government advises me to tell my year 2 class aged 6/7 to turn off their mobile phones before each SATs paper. Oh and an adult is supposed to follow them to the toilet during test times....this is official guidance set out in documents but I don't have a legal obligation to follow it.

Norestformrz · 01/02/2018 07:12

I don't know what medical expertise you need to administer injections. That's the point. Teachers are human. They worry they might do it wrong. They might hurt the child. They worry they might hit muscle rather than fat. They worry...

MaisyPops · 01/02/2018 07:19

It doesn't have to be teaching staff who administer medicine.

I know i wouldn't want to be trained in dealing with medicine, insulin, epi pens etc. Too much potential for fall out if I'm honest. I've seen too many complaints emerge in schools over tiny, insignificant things that i would not be happy being asked to take that on.

user789653241 · 01/02/2018 07:19

My ds has been transferred to specialist hospital from local one. We had to administer his regular meds while admitted until they have done their test. The specialist hospital didn't administer the meds prescribed by our local.
Same happens at the local hospital too. If my ds is admitted for something like viral infection, they will give him meds like antibiotics, but to give him regular meds prescribed by the specialist hospital is up to us.
Giving someone meds is such a delicate matter, even for medical professionals.

As a parent who rely on people(school)'s good will, someone voicing generalised misinformed nonsense is very damaging to the great relationship we already have. Do it for your school/children. But please don't just assume all the school/teachers are the same.

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wonkywillow · 01/02/2018 07:20

I've seen staff bullied out of jobs ajd pushed to breakdowns because of parents feeling proud their actions had 'got rid' of a teacher. Absolutely hellish and utterly nasty.

There was absolutely no bullying. I have always been kind and respectful towards my DC's teachers. When this happened it was an admission of guilt. I had not requested anything. It arose out of documentation I had written in support of my child that was submitted to the LA and in almost immediately after a particular Ed Psych got involved and saw it. I had to do nothing beyond write some truthful, evidenced, pertinent comments.

Show me ONE post where a parent has said that their school has refused to administer medication to a child with a diagnosed medical condition. Just one.

You got that post 05:43 this morning. Oh and on Tuesday at 14:26. Plenty of teachers have repeatedly posted to claim schools have no responsibilities in this area.

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wonkywillow · 01/02/2018 07:23

I don't know what medical expertise you need to administer injections. That's the point. Teachers are human. They worry they might do it wrong. They might hurt the child. They worry they might hit muscle rather than fat. They worry...

So you'd prefer a child who wasn't even trusted with a fountain pen, due to their manual dexterity, to it?

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wonkywillow · 01/02/2018 07:26

I don't know what medical expertise you need to administer injections. That's the point. Teachers are human. They worry they might do it wrong. They might hurt the child. They worry they might hit muscle rather than fat. They worry...

Don't get cancer or diabetes yourself then. Because you'll be merrily expected to administer or persuade a close family member to administer injections into fat. Not much training beyond this is what you do.

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MaisyPops · 01/02/2018 07:27

And yet the tone in which you discuss someone leaving is horrifyingly smug.

Good for you in fighting for your own child's situation. I have said over half a dozen times that is reasonable.

So why still try to push for some mass conspiracy? I don't get this thread or the point of it other than to try and paint some sort of educational batrleground on the basis of your personal experiences.

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wonkywillow · 01/02/2018 07:35

So why still try to push for some mass conspiracy? I don't get this thread or the point of it other than to try and paint some sort of educational batrleground on the basis of your personal experiences.

I have merely posted in response to comments on here. If they had been demonstratively kind, considerate and caring there would be very little conspiracy, which incidentally you mentioned, not me, to claim.

The fact of it is, with what people on here, who claim to be teachers have posted, along with my initial comment on the school in question's newsletter, children with additional medical needs are being routinely discriminated against.

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Cherrycokewinning · 01/02/2018 07:35

How can anyone say they wouldn’t want to administer a epi pen? They are life saving. To be used in emergencies. They’re designed so anyone can administer them. To stop the patient dying. I’m sure you don’t really mean that

ermncforthisthread · 01/02/2018 07:40

At the start of September DD fell (in school) and cut her forehead, it wasn't healing so trip to the GP (outside school hrs) who have her two medicines.
The first medicine was 1 Spoonful every 2 hrs. The second medicine was 1 Spoonful every 3 hrs.
Took her plus medicines into school the following day, explained with a note the time to take each, explained DD could take them herself (she's 10) if they kept them in a fridge and they point blank refused and said I'd need to return to school 4/5 times a day to bring medicine. I explained I worked and the only other option was for her to have a week off school so she could stay with my mum who'd administer, they said fine.

Guess who's now being hounded because DDs attendance is still below acceptable.

It's utterly ridiculous, negligence and to be frank, mean to refuse a child medicine.

Norestformrz · 01/02/2018 07:40

Actually OP I nursed both my parents through cancer until their deaths and I had treatment two years ago, no injections to administer. However that's totally irrelevant.

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wonkywillow · 01/02/2018 07:42

Well currently many cancer patients go home with injections to administer, mrz.

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Norestformrz · 01/02/2018 07:42

"So you'd prefer a child who wasn't even trusted with a fountain pen, due to their manual dexterity, to it?" No I would prefer there is someone with medical knowledge to take care of medical needs.

Norestformrz · 01/02/2018 07:45

Then I'm lucky to live where I do and patients are supported by medical professionals.

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wonkywillow · 01/02/2018 07:47

But you and countless other teachers on here are saying that you would refuse to be trained, mrz. As I said earlier, no wonder the number of non teaching staff schools employ has been going up and the number of teachers going down. Schools have to employ the people they need in order to comply well with government guidelines and be inclusive. Otherwise they'll be labelled 'failing'.

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