Our primary school says if children need medicine at specific times 'pop' in & DIY

[wonkywillow]

Surely this penalises busy working parents, with occupations where they can't just 'pop' in? Or a parent who simply has other pressing commitments..

Can schools actually do this? They seem to be negating their responsibilities towards providing education and support for children with long term medical conditions that require regular medication.

[wonkywillow]

The OP is just spoiling for an argument to feed her poor me thing.
Why else would she write a reply to me once (after I said I'm done playing pigeon chess) and then come back again around 45 mins later to add another post.

More insults and attempts to discredit me. Yawn. I wanted a discussion which is what I got. Oh and it's called having breakfast. Delicious it was too. And I kept posting, any one would think you were waiting on tenterhooks for a reaction. And I love pigeons, we have a couple of very cute wood pigeons that plod round our garden hoovering up spilt seed from the bird feeders.

[wonkywillow]

Pigeons are intelligent to. Now and again they hatch a plot to try and get the food from the bird feeders which they are too big for and quite can't reach.

[wonkywillow]

My feeling too, Navigator. Never mind, if people can be bothered to read all the way through there are some informative posts. Not just from posters who agreed with me, either. I thought zzzzz's post about her experience concerning what it is like to have your child's medical needs catered for by the school very pertinent. Shame that dealing with backbiting can get in the way of discussion of the actual issues, though. It is telling, however, of attitudes that people might encounter. Why I like Mumsnet, people can be less guarded and you get to know what goes through their mind.

[Cauliflowersqueeze]

A medical officer is a great idea.
It is. Costs over £12,000 though. That would be the entire departmental budget of our English Maths and Science departments. Not many schools would be able to forgo that.

[wonkywillow]

Cauliflower, my child's Statement was worth more than that sum, in today's money. A few children with high level needs ECHP's would have the potential to fund this member of staff that they would need to cater for their needs. Then the school would have the expertise in house. Inclusivity brings many benefits.

[wonkywillow]

We share the concerns and what helps because WHO ELSE understands?

If you want wider understanding, though, zzzzz being able to have discussions with a wider group of people does help, though. I thought your sharing of how it felt to have your child's medical needs catered for by the school particularly helpful in terms of understanding how parents actually feel when it does work. It helped me understand the protectiveness some so obviously feel towards schools and their staff. Before I was a bit baffled by this tbh. I understand too why people don't always feel like sharing though. Although I think it is easier on here because you can dip in and out of discussions.

[TuftedLadyGrotto]

But the EHCP never covers the full costs of what is needed usually. Most children with a statement/EHCP require one to one TA, so it has to pay for that for a start.

[wonkywillow]

But the EHCP never covers the full costs of what is needed usually. Most children with a statement/EHCP require one to one TA, so it has to pay for that for a start.

My child's Statement did, Tufted. It was more than enough. The funding ended up not even being spent on my child, at all, for a few years before the Statement was eventually ceased. Added to this children can have medical needs without any other additional learning needs. Type 1 diabetes, for example, with no additional learning needs.

[Norestformrz]

"EHCP brings the money INTO the school though, so you WOULDNT be borrowing from departmental budgets." Not quite true EHCP often have funding attached (not always) but often it isn't adequate to cover the cost of support necessary.

[wonkywillow]

When I meant if you want people to have a wider understanding, zzzzz. You don't have to read or post on here either. I was thankful for your post but there was no requirement for you to share what you did, either. It is easy to hide threads. Some people do actually want to talk, though. I do want to talk on here occasionally, myself about my experiences positive and more negative. You still seem to be reacting rather defensively to what I write in my posts, zzzzz. Initial impressions, it would seem, take a lot of shifting.

[wonkywillow]

That would require proper costed provision mapping, zzzzz.....

[Sirzy]

My area has just been osfteded for the sen provision and have been completely ripped to shreds one of the big issues they pulled up was the awful quality for ehcps

[wonkywillow]

Takes a lot to get a good thorough ECHP, Sirzy. I applied for my own DC's Statement myself and got it with a significant amount of funding. Much of the provision was written directly from the initial report I had written to supplement the application - same wording. Not every parent is aware they can do this or is actually able to do this, though. I think my teacher training helped although I did not disclose my training at the school.

[wonkywillow]

zzzz now, I think you are just trying to be hurtful. Quite frankly this baffles me. What have I actually done to you?

[t1mum3]

zzzz - I really don't understand your persistence in insisting that because your child with medical needs is OK, there isn't a wider problem, and not being willing to appreciate that there might. I don't understand why you are being so aggressive to the OP - is there some history I am missing?

Long and short - some schools get it right, but other schools aren't prepared to meet their responsibilities for whatever reason. It doesn't need to be a personal debate and no reason for anyone to get offended by this fact being raised for discussion.

[wonkywillow]

zzzzz I think you are being disingenuous. Playing the innocent just does not wash.

Constantly dismissing my comments with, 'I have no idea what you are on about'. Writing that sharing what your impression of my posts 'would not be particularly helpful' suggests something rude and derogatory. Frequently posting confused emojis as a response to my posts which are written in a pretty straightforward and clear manner. Swapping grinning emojis with other posters who write lengthy posts criticising me, speculating on my character and intentions. Questioning my ability to focus in this context also comes across as derogatory.

All the above is intended to be hurtful.

[wonkywillow]

...in my experience this is not a problem in school and if it ever was there are lots of avenues to correct any shortfall, but the care is good. I’d say really good.

If you'd only said this with, perhaps, the reasoning behind why you think this, yes, you would have been perfectly respectful.

Added to this, some schools doing this well shows that schools abiding by the law, in terms of making provision for administering medication is not impossible. This is what I want schools to do, albeit I want them to do this openly also. This is what the campaign I linked to upthread calls for.

There would be no argument, at all, if all schools do as you say they are doing zzzzz.