Violent child in DDs class

[Nativity3]

My dd is in a class with some very challenging children. There is a small group of them that seem to struggle to follow the rules and I feel sorry for the teacher most days as she's lovely but I think even she is finding them hard work. I have seen them at parties and they are even worse when high on sugar!
There is one however who has become very angry and voilent. He is screaming at other children and physically hurting them. My dd is quite quiet and is very scared of him.
I volunteer in the class and the teacher has an evacuation plan in place so if he becomes aggressive she can remove the rest of the class safely. I am not concerned for dd's physical safety but emotionally I don't know how to reassure her as this child is threatening children and becoming angry on a daily basis.

Oh will just throw in the concept of inclusion too, which is that all children with sN are entitled to be educated in mainstream schools.

Thread demonstrates what I dislike most about MN.
Whatever the rights or wrongs of a situation anyone who counters the majority view is 'reported', sworn at, told to 'go away' - tho' not so politely...
What wrong with you? Why not hear another point of view and try to counter it intelligently, rather than insisting MN remove it?

Kids in these classes manage fine, from infants up, and they fully understand that x cannot control his/ her emotions and struggles. They are very empathetic - often much more so than the parent who wants the kid out at all costs.

This just isn't always the case. Some kids do not "manage fine". Some become afraid to go to school and feel unsafe for the whole time they are there. Their learning is disrupted by this fear and by the aggressive meltdowns of the child concerned. And some are attacked by this child so know that their fears are real.

However, the solution is not to just remove the child, apart from on a temporary basis while a system is put in place to manage him. The child is probably just as frightened by his behaviour as the other DCs. It takes far too long to get funding for a 1 to 1 or a placement in a specialist school.

It shouldn't be necessary to have a diagnosis before a 1 to 1 is given. The diagnosis can take months and meanwhile the situation gets worse. Schools should not have to provide the funding when they are already struggling. The finance should come direct from the LA which should have an emergency fund for cases just like this. And a bank of TAs or teachers to put into such situations.

A rapid installation of a 1 to 1 would stop the situation escalating while a diagnosis is found. It would be reassuring for all the parents and all the children.

No child should be afraid to go to school.

Badger. Well one man's "countering the majority view" is another's "goading".

Plus people with kids with ADHD possibly may just be slightly offended by being told their kids are just "little shits" who need discipline. Hmm.

I can understand your worries Op. The ht called us recently as my dd in reception was hit in the face by a boy in her class with 'challenging' behaviour and several others have been hurt in some way. He bites the children and spits in their faces and it does get difficult to explain in a diplomatic and sensitive way about other dc behaviours.

When I was 6 or 7 I witnessed an outburst from a boy at school in the class room. He lashed out with a pencil in his hand and blinded a little girl. I'll never forget that day. I do get twitchy when I see what goes on.

Maybe just treat him like Hannibal Lecter.

Obviously not. Buy he is a child with needs not some dangerous wild animal.

Just for the record proud mummy ADHD has been recognised since 1902 but was known as hyperkinetic impulse disorder. It wasn’t until the late 1960s that the term ADHD was used.

I'm sure no parent wants their child to be in a position where they are afraid everyday and equally the parent of the child doesn't want their child to be "different" . It's in everyone's best interest to find a way to support this child so that he no longer poses a risk to others and he can learn.

Also it doesn't sound like he has ADHD more like ASD. Entirely different. And screaming then is not caused by aggressive bad behaviour but generally by stress and sensory overload. Manage that and the screaming and hitting out will disappear. My child was hit in face by a girl at school because she was crying. Because it hurt the girls ears as she has severe ASD not because she was naughty. However in 4 years of sharing class with this girl this has been only incident. Behaviour can be managed and should be, without demonising a child.

There are more options than either demonising him as a "naughty little child with poor parenting who needs discipline" or shoving him off to a special school, because it's OK for kids with sN to get injured just not those in mainstream.

'Ok for kids with sn to get injured'

Where has that been said?

Only1 some posters always suggest shunting kids with issues off to special school as it's not fair for their kids to be at risk. Hence it appears it is OK for mine to be. Not that big a leap to make really.

Anyway I have loads on today so don't think there is much more to say. Been there done that got the tShirt.

These threads are always really grim reading.

Thanks Hermia I hope so. As much as I inwardly wince at seeing this behaviour....I cringe at some of the blatant 'don't play with him' attitude of some of the parents.

36 years ago that happened and I remember it like yesterday.

That was terribly unfortunate for the wee girl, and the wee boy, who I assume didn't intend to grievously wound the girl
Very sad.

Fanjo
Thanks for explaining

All I ask is..please think about those reading who have kids with additional needs in mainstream (not me) before talking about poor parenting, kids being "little shits", ADHD being invented etc.

Have a nice day all.