Complaint to school

[gwenig2]

Yesterday my 10 year old was grab on the wrist in a attempt to force her from the floor to go to the headmistress office. This was a male teacher in her school. I did post on Facebook I was upset by this but did not name the school. The new headmistress TOLD me I had to remove this or she souls report to police for slander. I have removed post, but feel more angry now as they did not apologise or give any justification for the incident, which to me is assault. I have a meeting on Monday arranged after much foot stomping today. Need advice on how to handle as feel little overwhelmed and emotional.

But why do teachers seem to unilaterally believe it is a good idea to allow the minority to dilute the education of the majority? How does that help any child? How does that help all children reach their potential?

How many teachers are saying that NearTheWindymill?

As I say, Near- children receiving the correct support at school (be that mainstream or specialist) is the best solution for ALL children; thinking of them as a majority/minority is a very divisive way of approaching the issue. But then, that's what you seem to want.

Feenie- does your school have any system in place to deal with emergencies? Sending a child to the office etc?

Feenie, what happens when a child starts vomiting everywhere or has a copious nose-bleed and needs some 1:1?

I don't think any teacher believes that nearthewindymill. The education system is just in a transitional period. It has been rightly recognised that just expelling challenging children is not an option, it does them no good and creates isolated individuals that do not benefit society as a whole. Sadly though we are not yet in a situation where schools have adequate experience and resources to ensure that inclusion works for everyone. I do not know what the solution is.

"what happens when a child starts vomiting everywhere" I grab the sick bucket and powder to cover any on the floor (move the children away) see to the child and clean it up. "or has a copious nose-bleed" grap a wet compress sit the child with head forward and comfort them until it stops

send a message for firstaider if needed and or phone home for parent to collect child

And what do the rest of the class do whilst you are busy with the sick child?

In any school in our LA, I would expect a number of children to start making eeeuuuww type noises/comments and get a bit silly. When asked to get back on with their work, they might do, but some would undoubtedly need help/get into some sort of silliness/argument with another...
But maybe children are different in other parts of the country and would sit quietly working until the teacher was able to get back to them?

So would the first-aider be immediately free, ie not a teacher with a class of 30?

Do you have 30 in your class, Mrz?

Well I'm trained to provide first aid so you could say a first aider is immediately available

"And what do the rest of the class do whilst you are busy with the sick child?" - get on with their work - one or two might want to play with it or write in the vomit

I have 29 this term but I've had 36 in the past without a TA

All I can comment on tethers is the impact on my child (secondary). At primary to be fair it was dealt with but at secondary we all, apparently, have to make allowances. Why should my child have to make allowances and why should my child'st (or any child's) education be detrimentally impacted by those with statements in relation to behaviour (and yes they have them, the head told me and also that they had no option but to take them because the authority insisted). There are also those who don't have statements who would have been expelled when I was at school. I don't understand why they can't be expelled rather than excused nowadays. Perhaps I am just a stupid parent who expects the system to support my less than stupid child who might actually contribute to society.

Gosh, Mrz, that is a lot.

Mrz, do you have any children with statements at your school?

yes bigTillyMint don't all schools

I don't have any children with statements in my class however

So there are some "extra" adults in some classes. Phew! Have you got/had any children statemented for behaviour?

The point is near is that it would be best if ALL members of society contributed. Excluding children from school does not help them to achieve that. There does need to be better support and resources for keeping them in school though

Yes children who have 1-1 time in their statement have support

We have no children with statements for behaviour as I said earlier in the thread we don't have behavioural issues

"Why should my child have to make allowances and why should my child'st (or any child's) education be detrimentally impacted by those with statements in relation to behaviour (and yes they have them, the head told me and also that they had no option but to take them because the authority insisted)"

I'm aware of statements for SEBD, Near- as alarming as it may seem, I have even contributed to the writing of one or two. I am also a secondary teacher, so have a grasp of how things work in a secondary school.

The law states that schools must admit any child with a statement of SEN which names the school. I support this. Children with statements for SEBD in particular have great difficulty accessing mainstream education.

Unfortunately, the support some children need in order to access mainstream education is rarely provided- it is this which can impact on the education of other children. Put simply, it's a funding issue.

Children with behaviour issues aren't stupid, and if they get appropriate support can also contribute very positively to society

It makes me quite sad that children with behaviour difficulties are seen as evil. They are children who have very often had life experiences which have resulted in them acting out. I agree that the mainstream classroom without appropriate support is not the best place for them, but it is not their fault that the education system forces them to be there.

windy that is an extremely offensive statement. Your " not so stupid" DC is probably as "not so stupid" as mine. Mine however has SN. He also contributes greatly to the school - he's become the ICT co ordinator I think because of unexplainable ability in all things computer related. And is academically flying across some subjects.

When he has had meltdowns at school it's been the result of (non SN) children goading him. You know - the apparently "no so stupid" ones.

Is it excusable that some children, on some occasions, disrupt the education of others - no.

Is the solution the removal of those children from the school - not usually.

Do the best possible strategies and the best possible context for behaviour need to be shared? Yes, and there should never be shame in asking for help - more resources are needed in this area.

Should there be more support for children whose behaviour in school simply refelcts something that is going on in their wider life? Absolutely. The one child I did have to deal with through the 'ask for help loudly down the corridor' procedure was enduring something that the school could not possibly solve on its own - it took 4 agencies working together to bring about the changes that helped the child. But the school was an integral part of that solution - by sending the child away the school would have exacerbated the problem hugely.

Mrz, I am genuinely surprised that you have no children at your school with any behavioural issues. Never, ever?

So it's fine then to temporarily exclude such a child when they crack another child's head on a public pavement over a very very petty reason? Especially when they have pulled half a dozen supporters round them to do it? Not a very good reason to expect a very great deal of respect for the people running schools in my opinion Tethers. And if that's going on, how dare the same people running schools send letters home whining about the length of skirts?

I'd have loved my child to have broken a petty rule at that school; I would have thoroughly enjoyed complaining formally about the disproportionate application of school rules.

Unfortunately, the result of all this is that many parents end up with very little respect for the people running schools.

I wouldn't say we do either - behaviour is very good. We had a child 9 years ago who was transferred from another school, and our risk assessment led us all to be trained using Teamteach at the time. But we never had to restrain her at all and we've never renewed the training.

Just for the record my child has never ever treated another child with disprespect; more frequently she has been buddied up with children with SN (usually very very nice children who don't tell staff to off; who don't bully others and who don't disrupt but who need help). Too often she has been bullied for it; for being nice and so have those sorts of children who generally conform and who have a huge amount to give. I'm really not talking about children like that; rather children who appear to be beyond help and who are likely to end up in prison - who lie, thieve, swear, and who are violent and completely non compliant.