Teachers do not adhere to Statemented 1 to 1 support, do not believe in sub-levels, make APP assessments up....How much of what parents are told by schools about teaching is a box ticking exercise?

[Regards]

Following on from this thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/primary/1859219-Im-a-teacher-and-happy-to-answer-any-questions

and this:
community.tes.co.uk/tes_primary/f/36/t/381051.aspx?pi2132219857=1

I realised I was incredibly gullible when my DC first started school. What exactly should we believe concerning what the teachers tell us, how much is a PR job to cover up the ugly truth?

I don't think Starlight is minimizing assaults on teachers.

I think some of you are deliberately misinterpreting what she is saying.

She is clearly saying that using someone paid to provide 1 to 1 support for a statemented child effectively as a sticking plaster for a very serious problem (a child with serious behavioural issues) is massively inappropriate.

I will also point out that 1 to 1 adult support is not often re-allocated for some sort of in-class Medecins Sans Frontiere. Far less heroically, the 1 to 1 is usually off in another part of the building dealing with traumas no greater than photocopying.

'I think you'll find this multi agency meetings are about using up the least amount of money they can get away with.'

Yes. So when they DO make a recommendation why on earth do some teachers feel that it is overprovision and justify 'sharing' it?

'Some of these experts are amazing, some should be shown the door. You really have to much faith in them and not enough in the classroom staff.'

Honestly? No. I have very little faith in LA Advisory Service personnel.

But the fact still remains that provision specified in a statement HAS to be delivered regardless of the teachers opinion (or the parent's for that matter).

Oh hiccup don't I know it and covering PPA time, with a student or one other TA.

Actually, I'm thinking that this thread is really opening my eyes to how resistant many people are to taking SEN/disability seriously.

I don't think I ever knew this before.

It's saddening, but eye-opening.

It is just my opinion but I am rather shocked by the personal insults being levelled at some of the posters here. At Starlight particularly. And the vehemence.

It's funny how everyone keeps saying that it is so difficult to know what is going on with support in schools yet are absolutely sure that all schools are getting it wrong.

Hiccup - find me ONE person or ONE quote from someone who appears not to be taking disability or SEN seriously. Please.

sugarhiccup make assumptions much?

And yes, I told Starlight to fuck off, but then Starlight comes out with crackers such as
I suppose technically I wouldn't want a teacher hit, but the teacher is an adult, a small punch is not going to ruin her life chances and put her at risk of never living independently again.
which is abysmally, crashingly ignorant.

Good god you're all so defensive. This isn't a discussion it's screaming match.

OP is obsessed with 121, she doesn't get that it's not always in the child's best interest. She needs to let go and get on with her life, as I shall now.

Read my posts you will know what I am.

soap we know but don't as it is not official. Smoke and mirrors, herd of elephants in the room, but proof? It is (very strong) suspicion. I don't see the staff time tabling just through the window or have tried to speak to teachers and find they were in PPA. My child is also pretty reliable regarding details such as who is where, doing what. Organises us or at least attempts to.

Getstuffed, a teacher getting hit should be such a rare occurrence that discussion of whether a 1:1 steps in or not would be immaterial.

If it happens more than once then the teacher and school have failed to adequately make provision for that child, and should not be using a vulnerable child's support to bridge that gap.

The teacher doesn't have to put up with it. The vulnerable child has NO CHOICE but to be in that environment and continue to do so until they reach school leaving age. Often that child will be unable to make the abuse of their support known to their caregivers, making it all the more appalling.

Where?

Unless I missed the bit where someone said they had a one to one ta watering the marigolds, all I've seen is exactly what I've said. Targeted changes in specific instances.

Yet you still hear, I've sent the ta off to shop in Harvey nicks for the morning. Ohh what a Lark.

pass Please read my posts again!

I repeat am not obsessed with 1to1. Surely I don't have to quote myself?

'Read my posts you will know what I am'

Sooooooo tempting..........

Well I'm glad you've sorted out classroom violence for us Starlight. We were all at such a loss.

We were so enjoying being hit, kicked and bitten that we clean forgot to head down to gringotts and get a fist full of gold coins to pay for some support.

Thank you so much.

I think the system doesn't take SEN seriously enough. And I think that is normalised. Even by people whoe would never dream of telling disablist jokes at a dinner party. That's what I mean.

I truly think that our society has a long, long way to go to make our society - and schools within that - non-disabling.

I find that this thread highlights how far we have to go.

I really do think it should be unacceptable to use allocated hours for photocopying (for example). Employ someone to photocopy. It really shouldn't be acceptable to use a designated learning assistant this way. It says so much about how we, as a society - deep down - regard SEN that this is common practice.

Bullshit hiccup. If a ta has to photocopy for the greater good of the school, it is for her charges benefit as well.

Why do those 'gold coins' come from a disabled child?

Why not the HT's salary or an ebayed interactive whiteboard?

I think I'd like a module on SEN to be compulsory in the PGCE.

I'm pretty sure star can cope with the "fuck off", the comments about the schools not working because of her, are monstrous, and so unfair.
Ok. Except nobody said that, did they?

Party of that has to be recognising that while children of all abilities need to be included. All children are still different.

To often there is a one size fits all and it works for very few. My school had many children with needs but all of our children get along. Even when we do have incidents of bullying, it is never along the lines of sen or disability.

Some of the parents are a different matter but hopefully they can help their parents to see that everyone deserves to be treated fairly.

'If a ta has to photocopy for the greater good of the school, it is for her charges benefit as well.'

Ah well, why not get her to clean the toilets as well and sack the cleaner then!

"Bullshit hiccup. If a ta has to photocopy for the greater good of the school, it is for her charges benefit as well."

I am now imagining a Russian Formalist poster, with a square-jawed worker, clutching a sheaf of paper. She is striding towards the sunrise and the legend is something along the lines of: "Photocopy for a Better Future for All". At he feet, small children in overalls beam.