Teachers do not adhere to Statemented 1 to 1 support, do not believe in sub-levels, make APP assessments up....How much of what parents are told by schools about teaching is a box ticking exercise?

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Following on from this thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/primary/1859219-Im-a-teacher-and-happy-to-answer-any-questions

and this:
community.tes.co.uk/tes_primary/f/36/t/381051.aspx?pi2132219857=1

I realised I was incredibly gullible when my DC first started school. What exactly should we believe concerning what the teachers tell us, how much is a PR job to cover up the ugly truth?

'If the teacher is getting punched in the face, should the ta ignore that too because it has nothing to do with them?'
Yes, if it is a regular occurrence because she should not be used as an alternative to proper support for that teacher and child.

You awful human being.

'However, as I'm responsible for planning the work she completes with her charge, and ultimately I'm responsible for the education of the child,'

It's very refreshing to hear you say that, because my experience is that once a child has a TA the teacher ignores them and leaves their education up to someone who knows even less about SEN and almost nothing about education.

Trust me, there are lots of teachers who get the TA to babysit and then blame lack of progress on the disability.

Starlight, 5 school s before age 6 says more about you than it does about the schools.

Yes, Starlight! YOUR EXPERIENCE!!!! That is not what we all do!!!!!!

I suppose technically I wouldn't want a teacher hit, but the teacher is an adult, a small punch is not going to ruin her life chances and put her at risk of never living independently again.

The repercussion of leaving that punch unaddressed to happen again because a child's statemented TA can supervise that child instead of her own leaves a vulnerable child long term without support and a potential lack of education.

THAT is far more awful.

Yes, I like to think so pass

What can I say. There are not many who have secured Statements. I know lots of parents, they are friends, we talk to each other and I know how they travel to school. It was obvious.

I don't expect other's SEN to be discussed with me, but if teachers claim my child is receiving full time 1 to 1 and another parent tells me they support their child, what am I supposed to think? She told me after Parents Evening after teachers had told her how they were helping her child!

I don't want my child to sit alone, I want teachers to be honest about support.

No Get. Some teachers are not like that.

But I have been to LA meeting after LA meeting (not all for my own child as I have advocated for other parents too) where blatent flouting of the law with regards to 1:1 is defended on the basis of 'independence developing' shows that this law breaking is a cultural thing and many teachers are EXPECTED to use TAs for other things.

You really don't get it do you? 121 is not always in the best interests of the child, only the people working with the child will know when it is and when it isn't. It is their duty as professionals and human beings to do what is in the childs best interests.

I only hope you children don't pick up on any of this possessive anti-teacher fanaticism

starlight I have known many teachers hospitalised and some have been left with permanent problems.

I'm glad you think it is a small problem.

Don't you think if getting support was easy, teachers would just get it for everyone. Especially those who are violent. Are you assuming we like being assaulted?

I actually do not want 1 to 1. Knew it was not being received. Yet on paper it was. Teachers claimed it was, whilst obviously squirming. Took far too long to address this situation. Its difficult to prove...

But what is a child that is that violent DOING in a classroom with a teacher unsupported and dangerous, and why should the vulnerable child suffer because of bad management?

I don't want anyone to get hurt, but most especially not a vulnerable child who can't articulate his needs nor trigger an emergency statutory assessment, or exclude a child nor even resign from ever having to enter the school building ever again.

Why should they lose their support because the adults haven't taken responsibility for the other child's needs or the needs of the teacher?

Starlight I think you are obsessed with this. It's not healthy. How do you think children learn independence with out actually getting to experience it? You are like a woman possessed.

Jesus no wonder some people elect to hide sen threads.

'You really don't get it do you? 121 is not always in the best interests of the child, only the people working with the child will know when it is and when it isn't. It is their duty as professionals and human beings to do what is in the childs best interests.'

No. You don't get it pass. Are you a teacher?

A teacher has no business overriding the quantified and specified provision in a statement. The child's 'best interests' have been identified in careful and in depth multi-agency assessments by people who specialise in SEN and education, and the provision is made for that.

Once written into a statement as the child's needed provision, it is protected by law and no teacher has the legal right to use that provision flexibly, even if they believe it is in the interest of the child to do so.

If teachers could so easily make those kinds of judgements there would be no point in the multi-agency assessments or statement.

Where have I ever said that children are not allowed to experience independence?

Again because it isn't that easy to sort out.

Every Child has a right to an education. However getting support whether through advice or funding is very hard. Especially if parents feel that there isn't a problem. Many lea's have moved to a total no exclusion policy so teachers are just bloody stuck.

Don't you think it is easier to teach a whole class and for them all to make progress if they are sufficiently supported? Or are you assuming that we like an extra challenge or just can't be bothered to get help because we like the pain?

ARE you a teacher pass?

Whilst I feel for the teachers being attacked by children, if children are left in a state of severe anxiety because their needs are not being met, some will lash out quite suddenly from fear.

'Every Child has a right to an education. However getting support whether through advice or funding is very hard.'

Why?

I think you'll find this multi agency meetings are about using up the least amount of money they can get away with.

Some of these experts are amazing, some should be shown the door. You really have to much faith in them and not enough in the classroom staff.

Because nobody wants to pay for it.

My child got the funding and support. The teachers just chose to spend that on other children that they deemed more deserving.

You think that isn't an acceptable reason for removing your child from a school pass?