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Infant School pushing to report me to SS for neglect. Can they do that?

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pylonic · 08/01/2013 18:40

My DD age 5.5 has had a poor lateness record since the beginning of Year 1. No excuses really, I only lived a 9 minute walk from school but we were late almost every day for at least 6 months. I had trouble sleeping but not to the point of Insomnia, just kept oversleeping through the alarm clock most times (dreaded snooze button).

She's also had some absence, genuine though, illness and doc's appointments.

Last year I was advised by letter that unless lateness improved the school would be referring us to a welfare officer.
3 months ago we had to move out of the village to a nearby town but no transfers in new town for DD so she still attends old school. Because I have had to rely on buses, we have been late again quite a few times, or other people that I have relied on to drive her in for me have been late traffic etc or there's been other logistical problems, so presumably the record isn't improving.

Today the head teacher called my Mum in for a word (I'm 44...why they need to call my Mummy I don't know), and the gist was as follows:

My children are being neglected because I have insomnia (I don't, I just needed to put some excuse down in the late book. Quite tame compared to other regularly late people's excuses), so they want to involve social services.

I have been seen in the village shop with my children buying chocolate bars. And that's it. I don't know what they mean by this? :/

My daughter has turned up without a cardigan on at least two occasions in 'extreme weather'. This constitutes neglect. But they are quick to complain if she's wearing a different colour cardigan to school because her two logo tops are in the wash.

She often has a chocolate drink in her lunchbox.

This is a very cliquey village, hence glad to have left it behind, but although the late record is admittedly quite dire, is it generally worthy of involving social services for neglect?

The head teacher and I "don't have a dialogue" she told my Mum, hence why she called her in to talk to instead.

I've only spoken to the head once, when I had to inform them about the children's father's DV past so that they do not let him take DD out of school without my permission.

I bristle under authority having come into my Catholic rebellion quite late in life, but I'm generally non-combative.

So I'm wondering what you think of my request, in that I want toask the head to write down all the concerns she has so I have it in writing, and then invite her to my home in order that she can ascertain for herself it is a proper, clean, comfortable and sustaining environment for the children.

I feel a bit Hmmmmm that she has gone 'running to my Mummy' instead of talking to me, the parent, especially considering this late book has been full of the same old, same old pupils including my sister's son, for the last couple of years, but I feel a bit singled out perhaps wrongly, I don't know, because of the whole single mother on benefits stereotype, DV background, and now they want social services to investigate the children for neglect.

The children's father also wants to play this card against me, so I'm just resigned to SS being involved in their lives anyway it's out of my control.

My DD is otherwise happy, bright, doing fine at school and paints happy pictures all the time.

Can an infant school really go down this route when there isn't actually any clear signs of any kind of neglect going on? It seems unfair to tar my DD with this brush and I'm also concerned how this is going to affect her In Year transfer to a school in our new town.

I think this is just a rant, it all seems to be out of my control. The head has a reputation for being an axe-grinder and their Ofsted isn't great for a village school. The conspiracy theorist in me is saying its all about the grades.

Hs anyone been investigated by SS before for neglect? What should I expect? Will it go against me in the forthcoming Vafcass report which their father wants to initiate too as part of his contact/custody case?

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pylonic · 10/01/2013 00:14

But as some don't consider the issues raised as neglect, as some consider dead nit shells outright Child Abuse, you can see why it s important to keep a sense of perspective when posting online.

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ThatVikRinA22 · 10/01/2013 00:14

you are a bloody idiot.

you would rather argue on here than sort out the very real issues affecting your own children.

you are failing your children. school have noticed it and you posted on here asking if school could refer you to social services.....im not the one in trouble here - you are.

you can choose to carry on being defensive and argue the toss if you like. but school have obviously spied the problem, and that problem is you, hence their concern and mention of social services.

you are in denial.

Primafacie · 10/01/2013 00:14

lia :o

Raven thank you, the term "baiting" is exactly right and I just couldn't recall it.

Op, I've got nothing more to say to you as I've long grown out of that teenage, superior phase. Which may explain why I go to work even when I've got the flu, whereas you spend your night on mumsnet when the school is threatening to get SS after you for neglect. I may not sleep well at night (I also suffer from insomnia) but that's not because of guilt on my priorities :)

DollyTwat · 10/01/2013 00:14

Tuna I thought I was the only twat Grin

Op if you aren't taking this seriously then if SS get involved you might have to. Otherwise this thread (and the nit one) just look like trolling

gingerchick · 10/01/2013 00:15

Well I for one am, I love my children more than anything in the world and would do anything for them, unfortunately you can't say the same

pylonic · 10/01/2013 00:15

Vicarina

There's no argument, I want to hear all your views. Smile

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pylonic · 10/01/2013 00:17

Prima

I'm doing several things at once online and in draft right now, Mumsnet just happens to be the easiest to respond to quickly.

But Iagree you should probably leave the thread if you are bored with it, it's going round in circles and you are becoming frustrated.

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Emphaticmaybe · 10/01/2013 00:18

Have read most of thread.

Pylonic I think you seem depressed to the point of numbness. You are obviously articulate and intelligent with a good deal of self-awareness but your responses are barely masking a considerable amount of hurt and anger. Is this thread a form of self-punishment? Do you want people to tell you what a terrible mother you are? - because I don't think you are - you're just a bit messed up after all you've been through probably.

I'm sure your past situation has a lot to do with this - from what you have hinted at you sound like you have been through a pretty hellish experience. For what it's worth your DD doesn't sound neglected but you do - you sound like you really need some support. Go to the GP - you sound seriously depressed and you deserve to have the help you need and your DCs deserve a well mother.

Regarding the school you know it makes no sense to not co-operate. Pick your battles - your mental health should be your priority - your kids rely on you and without it you will all suffer.

I hope a random person on the internet telling you you're not a bad person helps a bit - apologies for any cod psychology,Wink

ThatVikRinA22 · 10/01/2013 00:19

try reading your OP again pylonic

you had fair warning. the school wrote to you. they said what would happen if your DD continued to be late.
you say yourself no excuses - you lived 9 mins walk from school.

best of british and all that. i reckon you need to see your GP. and then enlist all the support that is being thrown at you.

ravenAK · 10/01/2013 00:19

Well, you've heard mine OP.

Disinclined to entertain you further tonight, because I think that you staring at a screen into the small hours is making even less likely to understand that what's happening to your family is happening in real life.

I hope your daughter makes it in on time tomorrow, & I'm glad her school are looking out for her welfare.

pylonic · 10/01/2013 00:20

Ginger

Can't you see how silly that statement is? It's like me making a presumption against you based on nothignmoresubstantiial than your username. I wouldnt dream of putting your love for your children on some kind of sliding scale based on your responses to an online thread. That would be silly, right, because Idont actually know you ...

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Ministrone · 10/01/2013 00:21

Has anyone ever seen a cat play with a mouse,? They pat them playfully with their paws, pretend to let them go so they run, then they throw them up in the air and on and on it goes until the cat gets bored then it kills the mouse but rarely eats it if it's a well-fed, domestic animal.

I expect the cat would be interested in the mouse's views if it had any but I don't suppose it would change its behaviour.

TunaPastaBake · 10/01/2013 00:21

Yes - some if us have to get up in the morning -

Hope tomorrow is a more productive day for getting things sorted with the school OP

gingerchick · 10/01/2013 00:23

If you would put anything on the line for your kids then bloody do it then its such a small thing, get them to school on time with appropriate clothing, fed, clean and ready for the day

pylonic · 10/01/2013 00:23

Emphatic

Some good points and I can see some could even be valid.
Then again, they could be so far off the horizon it's untrue.
Nobody really knows, we can only make guesses based on whatever's typed down, that's cod psychology for you, no real basis.

This is just a thread to hear some views on infant schools and SS. I fully expect people to jump I with personal views onmy bra size, favourite colour and political persuasions, that's the nature of these threads. I don't take any of it personally or very seriously. It's not a fight, it's an interesting discussion, that's all.

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ThatVikRinA22 · 10/01/2013 00:24

its fine marsh because despite the ops apparent lack of recognition i suspect that she is painfully aware of her failings.

pylonic - go to see your gp. you are not coping despite what you may think. you may think we are all a bit stupid but you posted asking for advice - you are clearly concerned about social services involvement.

dont be. welcome them in with open arms. you need some support - you just dont think you do.

now i really am going. best of luck pylonic. please take the help on offer.

pylonic · 10/01/2013 00:26

Marshmallow

A good analogy. Another one that could also be applied here, or to many online threads.
However in this instance I'm not playing, there's Chatrooms for that. I'm here for views on the opening post.

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pylonic · 10/01/2013 00:28

No vicar

I would never assume you are all stupid, although I have allowed everyone to think whatever they wish of me.

I am fully cognisant of my failings.

Despite repeating this, people will insist I am not aware.

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Astelia · 10/01/2013 00:29

I am impressed that the school are being so caring to your DD. They must realise you want to leave yet they are trying their best for her.

OP I feel sorry for your DCs, as it looks like they have years ahead of disorganisation if the past years have been anything to go by. I suspect they will be the ones turning up late with no equipment and no homework when they are in senior school, whose parents complain about detentions as it is inconvenient to them.

I hope I am wrong in your case, but I have seen it over and over again. It happens.

5madthings · 10/01/2013 00:29

Op i may outmyself here but i just discussed this with dp who works in conjunction with childrens services. The school are right to raise concerns and there are several safeguarding 'red flags'. They will report you, they are legally bound to do so.

If you display the attitude you have on mnet to childrrns services you will do yourself no favours at all.

You need to work with the school and childrens services (when they contact you and they will contact you) to resolve these issues.

If your chikdren are thriving as you say, then childrens services will.help and support you to sort out the issues you have, but you need to engage with them ti work together.

Please step back from mnet and sort these issues out.

gingerchick · 10/01/2013 00:30

That's worse aware of your failings but not prepared to do anything about it

pylonic · 10/01/2013 00:36

5madthings

There is a persistent lateness record, in line with a dozen other pupils at the school.

Twice she has turned up without a logo cardigan.

There's no lunchbox policy but a chocolate drink was frowned on.

The heads an axe grinder, they have Ofsted grades to repair. I'd be rather full on with non-compliant parents too.
SS are welcome to investigate, they won't find any anomalies. But the tone of this thread suggests inherent Child Abuse is apparent, so good on the school for pushing for it.
Now...perhaps you had a better idea of my standing on the subject? Smile Not quite what you thought, is it?

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Emphaticmaybe · 10/01/2013 00:36

Ok Pylonic - if this thread is just about infant schools and SS - then I guess you may have triggered enough 'red flags' to involve SS however unjustified that may be in your case.

I hope you manage to sort it out with the least trauma for you and your DD - but I would say cooperation is always the best way.

pylonic · 10/01/2013 00:38

Not yet dangnammit I want to make into 500 replies :P

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CremeEggThief · 10/01/2013 00:39

I think the best thing you can do right now is log off, wind down, try to get some sleep, and get your child up on time in the morning. In fact, that's what I'm going to do too.

The only other thing I will say is you owe it to yourself and your DC to seek support to make your lives better. I genuinely wish you all the best.