does anyone know when were likely to find out results of phonics check?

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just that really.
days?weeks?end of term?
thanks

He was identified with SEN age 12

but did it matter?

Yes it mattered a great deal because he couldn't write but as they kept telling me not to worry he's an excellent reader.

I wish I could turn the clocks back for him and regardless of his reading age we would have worked on phonics

It doesn't surprise me that MNers are hung up on this. It's a test of a very specific thing, isn't it? It doesn't test reading ability, it checks a child's ability to use phonics to decode. Speaking as a secondary teacher, it is important that children can use phonics to decode words. I teach a subject with its own specific vocabulary and ask KS3 children to decode new words frequently. We all had phonics training last year so that we could help DCs who are struggling.

This is not the only thread where a poster has claimed that their child is (apologies to lizjuk but this is how it comes across to me) too good to need phonics - the argument that a good reader will try to "normalise" new words was used in another thread too, and I'm afraid I don't buy it- if it was so, how would any child of that age read new words at all? It certainly grates with the idea of a "free reader" - if a child is reading without intervention yet struggles to decode new words and is attempting to "normalise" anything unfamiliar, presumably that child is reading pretty inaccurately as he/she will skip over or misread anything new in the "free choice" of book??
My own DTDs are "well ahead" of expectation in terms of reading (as specific as their reports get) and each scored 39 in the phonics check. The argument that good readers don't need phonics is, IMO, invalid.

Sure, Feenie, I did hear what you were saying. But most people can spot patterns and similarities in lots of things. I'm not a car designer but I can see familiar shapes in car designs. I wouldn't be surprised if that ability turned out to be a survival instinct. But simple pattern spotting is not the same thing as declaring a universal code.

errrr, confused know. Aren't those six year olds "free readers" then? Aren't we all learning about language and comprehension all the time?

Ok I see you had concerns that could not at that time be quantified. My situation is different in that until this afternoon no issue has ever been raised about my daughters performance and nor have I had any cause for concern. Is this telling me something I or the school could not see (or have they failed to raise...) ?

I should probably just shut up now, I think I've made my point :)

Your knowledge of qu, ee, p, etc will help you decode many, many words, learnandsay.

No they aren't free readers they are apprentice readers the same as the child reading orange book band ...six year olds are still learning and teachers choose the books to challenge and extend their learning.

I didn't read lizjuk's post that way- re "too good to need phonics". I just read it as a description of her child's reading ability. Ah, ok, I think I understand now. "Free reader", means reads without parent listening/helping? rather than reads harder than the scheme. That makes more sense, and in that sense I agree 6 year olds almost always are not free readers.

No lizjuk I didn't have concerns. Why should I be concerned that my son could read the Finacial Times aged 3? That he was reading a Nato defence magazine about troop and weaponry deployment age 5 that at 7 he had a reading age in the high teens. I didn't even consider he needed phonics until he floundered

I have noticed my daughter will normalise words if she CANT BE BOTHERED to read something carefully (perhaps when she is tired or I'm trying to get her to read a school book when she wants to do something else). When challenged she will use her phonics skill to decode and get it right. I do wonder if the deliberate lack of peril about the whole test meant she cruised and therefore got things wrong. But really I am just guessing here because I'm confused.

No I don't mean free reader is a child who reads without a parent listening ... I mean that 6 year olds still need texts (even if it is a chapter book /novel) chosen by the teacher to develop specific skills and knowledge.

Of the schools I know (friends' kids' school and schools where I know teachers) it seemed to be half and half in terms of asking parents to help prepare for the check. My DTD's school didn't, and I am glad. It would be interesting to know if preparation had any bearing on results.

lizjuk "normalising" words as you call it is very common when children aren't focusing ... whether tired or not interested or distracted and is the most likely reason why good readers make errors in the check and in school work.

He sounds amazing Mrz. Hope it all came good.

lizjuk was she knackered on the day of the test?

Evil twins I am certainly not saying my child is too good for phonics - I was questioning whether I need to worry about phonics if her reading was good. This is different as phonics is a tool to comprehension and she may not need this tool if she gets at the meaning in her own way (if that IS what she is doing). MRZ is suggesting that in her case the answer was clearly yes and this is something I need to bear in mind.

Ok, sorry, finally I get it. (hangs head in shame...). As a teacher (musical instrument) myself, I hadn't even considered that the teacher wouldn't choose the text. I always choose pieces for my pupils, the thought of them choosing themselves is very odd .

No I'm afraid it didn't tgger and I don't want to be responsible for any other child being failed so badly

Boo, sorry to hear that mrz.