does anyone know when were likely to find out results of phonics check?

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just that really.
days?weeks?end of term?
thanks

Which senior and eminent educationalists and experts in phonics?

The senior and eminent educationalists and experts in phonics who have never taught a young child to read?

If they're parents they're likely to have taught their own children to read, or at least to have had a hand in the process.

and not one is a phonics expert

It may be a shock to you learnandsay but most parents don't teach their child to read

If most parents don't have at least a hand in the process I'd say that's pretty shocking, yes. It's a pretty fundamental part of the way we live. If they don't, then they can't really complain if their children can't read!

lizjuk, I understand your concerns completely. Mrz, did you not have any children at all in this position at your school? Seems not.

I'm not defending schools who use it as a smoke screen for poor results (which may be the case) but the case against pseudowords has been made by those with good credentials (want to share yours to deny it?)

It is this aspect of the test that most concerns the signatories to the letter, which include John Coe, chairman of the National Association for Primary Education, Rona Tutt, chairman of the National Literacy Association and general secretary of the Voice education union, Philip Parkin.

Last month, a government-commissioned report on a pilot of the test found that while two-fifths of teachers said the check had helped them identify struggling youngsters, there were also some concerns.

The research found 72% of pilot schools said "pseudowords" caused confusion for some, or most, of their pupils.

If you mean did we have children fail to achieve 32 then yes tgger we have children in this position at my school (they had already been identified and receiving support before the test). The test provided useful information about what exactly they needed to practise.
If you mean did any of our very able readers make errors with non words then the answer is no.

NB I do think my school is at fault for poor communication of these results at the very least, and leaving me to be the proactive one in sorting this out. I would expect any failure result to be given IN PERSON and delivered with a suggested action plan in place. Not in a standard letter....

I meant the latter. I would completely expect some children to get less than 32, but I wondered about the more able readers. How would you explain lizjuk's DD's position? It seems odd to offer intervention to a free reader who it seems knows her phonics and can decode. Could there be lots of children nationwide like her, but perhaps not in your school? Asking myself these questions as well really. It is possible that there is a certain proportion of children who were phased by the pseudo words and this test has been worse than useless for?

It's a normal teaching strategy in phonics teaching, so no child should be fazed by it - unless schools haven't been using this strategy. It allows teachers to assess how a child treats an unfamiliar word. If they try to turn every unfamiliar word into a real word, that's something which needs picking up here and addressing now.

I would probably use a more rigorous check to find out if the check was just a blip or there is an issue.
Personally I find the whole idea that 6 year olds are free readers nothing more than a parent pleaser. Children this age still require guidance in their reading if only to explain new vocabulary or why the author chose those words or figures of speech.

but the fact remains what am I to make of an apparently abberant result? Does my daughter have a problem or was she just lazy in the test because it had no tangible consequences or benefits (not totally out of character)? How do I tell?

MRZ parents need to be pleased. Might be worth remembering

What will the child do if they encounter an unknown real word with a similar structure to a word they have previously learnt? Will they try to normalise it too?

Surely you aren't suggesting teachers should please parents by lying to them lizjuk ?

I could happily tell the parents of my pupils "your child is a free reader" but then the next teacher would have to say "sorry they aren't a free reader this year because they are still learning" and that includes the ones happily reading Dahl and Morgano this year.

Well, my son tries to normalise new words. I think that's his brain's way of coping with them. I tell him to use his sounds and he does and hey presto he gets the right word most of the time. Unless it's something like "wicked". That was a good one tonight .

A more rigorous check sounds like a good idea as 30/40 isn't that far off 32, although perhaps you would expect her to get 40 if her reading is that advanced?

Isn't "free reader" merely a description of ability. That is can read fluently beyond the scheme. Doesn't mean "doesn't need guidance", or does it? What's wrong with a 6 year old reading beyond scheme books?

lizjuk, a child can be perfectly good at reading and useless at phonics. I didn't know any phonics when I was learning to read. If phonics means nothing to you and your child, and your child is a gifted reader, then carry on and ignore the test results.

Yes Tggr that is another one of my wonderings too.

Frankly I'm not here to debate the free reader issue or to be drawn on mischevious suggestions I clearly have not made- I simply gave that as part of the tangible evidence I have that there is "nothing wrong" with my child's reading ability and yet here I have a test that says there may be a problem. The point is I'm unsure what evidence to trust now.

MRZ I think your suggestion of a further check to see if we get the same result may be valid.

As I showed you last night, learnandsay, you do have a knowledge of phonics, and it's possible you worked out the code for yourself.

No a "free reader" is a con to get parents off your back when you haven't got any more books at their level.

I've got six year olds reading Dahl in school etc and scoring 40/40 tgger, but I'm not kidding their parents they still have lots to learn about the language of books.

I'm the mother of a child who was perfectly good at reading in nursery and never grasped phonics which may have been identified if this check had been around

I would trust your instinct like most things to do with your child. But another test wouldn't hurt if you have concerns. Also as Feenie pointed out, I would check to see that she is used to the teaching strategy re using made up words to solidify phonics . Sorry that is really badly written!!!