does anyone know when were likely to find out results of phonics check?

[mumineedapooooo]

just that really.
days?weeks?end of term?
thanks

So if they are required to tell you the 'results', does that mean a result as in pass/fail or an actual score? Are they also required to tell you the school as a whole result in terms of pass/fail?

No, just the results of the individual child, and whether they have met the standards of the check.

mrz - if you think it's a good model for that, then I'm reassured. I was concerned that the way the test has been put forward and characterised has been a bit of a PR failure for the government. I say that not out of any great love for Gove, but simply because I don't like seeing phonics bashed in the media.

So you don't even get to find out how the school as a whole did? Weird.

but an actual score? or just pass fail?

And I think I would like to know how the school did overall as well. Just out of interest.

The teacher let me know how my daughter did at the end of school the other day - because she failed the test.

We knew there would be a test but hadn't been told when it would be, there was no additional homework etc on it for us to do at home - which is how it should be.

I am pretty gutted that my daughter has "failed" - as is her brilliant teacher! It's yet another way to label a child.

My daughter is an able reader, on band orange. She struggles a little with pace and so has been doing more reading practise at school. The school has a really strong emphasis on teaching phonetically, we read every day with her at home - not just the reading books from school, but comics, recipes, newspaper headlines etc. and we read to our children every night.

And yet my child scored a pretty dreadful 20/40 and so has failed the test - her teacher is frustrated as she knows my daughters reading ability.

I'm pretty sure there isn't much more we can do at home to support the school - and I don't want to. I have 2 other children to concentrate on as well. I feel that this will put undue pressure on my daughter with more intervention at school, that she doesn't need.

Thanks Mr. Gove, for finding yet another way to incorrectly label our children. I trust her teacher. But well done for giving me something else to panic about!!

Got mine last week, I think it was Thursday.

They did them on Monday/Tuesday I think.

Just got a letter with the score and some explanation.

Once the school has reported the results (to the government) they will be able to print off individual reports giving the child's score and whether this meets the expected standard.

yellowhouse with respect if the school wasn't allowed to administer the test before the 18th of June so if they gave you the results last week they have in fact acted "illegally" (as the test is a legal requirement and schools must follow the statutory procedure laid out in the ARA)

Mrz, they did the test on the 18th-19th, (which was mon-tue last week), so why was it done illegally? I am confused. They just processed the results in 2 days and gave them to the parents. I can't see what was illegal about that?

Sorry I was confused by you saying last week I thought you meant "last" week ie week beginning 11th (sorry)

Pheww no problem, I was getting worried!!!

We haven't completed our checks yet as we have 5 children absent all week and another who returned Friday but not really well

Always.... don't become too despondent.It just means that this will help the school to pick the children that need extra resources.Though i do know how upsetting poor results can be.One of my children has been behind and is improving [but still behind].Getting each result is a bit soul-destroying though. Though it does mean that he has extra lessons in very small groups that go over things again and again.All good schools will now target the pupils who have failed and will now do extra practice with them.
This result also doesn't take into account the level of maturity [some kids are not ready for learning] and saome children read by word recognition.I read really early by sight recognition.I remember being utterly bored in school by phonic sounds and the phonic alphabet.i never got the hang of it [and in fact totally switched off at school].

Thanks Teta. The problem is that she is already doing more reading at school to improve her pace - she doesn't usually have an issue with her phonics. She is in a mixed year class so is in fact with only 5 other year 1's (and 20 reception) and they all do daily reading with their teacher. She is the oldest in the school year having turned 6 in September so is very nearly 7.

It is horrible to be told your child has failed a test. But this is why I have an issue with certain tests - they are a snapshot at one time but are no reflection on her reading ability. I don't want her to miss out on other things at school (because of failing 1 test) by having to have extra practise and help when she's actually doing okay. But I suppose that comes back to me trusting her teacher - she knows my daughters ability better than any spurious test - so I am putting my faith in her instead!!

AlwaysTimeForWine she hasn't failed and it isn't a test ... it's a diagnostic tool to show what she finds difficult. At the moment she hasn't yet reached the level expected by the government so she will get extra support to get there rather than be left to flounder ...please try to see it as positive

If its any consolation I've just discovered my daughter, who is a free reader failed this test. She rated about a year ahead of average on the 1a, 1b scheme thingy (she's a 2a nearly) .She got 30 out of 40. Few things to remember here are that only 30% of chidren passed this test in the field trial - so 70% "failed". My daughter can read and read unfamiliar words. The whole thing is a nonsense.

You should also remember the trial was a very different test in many ways ... one being a higher pass level (36/40)

Lots of teachers on TES are reporting 80% pass rates

There is a thread over in TES/primary about advising parents of the results of the phonics test. One teacher says she's not sure if the results are worth anything. It's an interesting read.

oops sorry - premature post! The second point is that it has been raised by critics of the test (and there have been many) that better readers tend to try and normalise the nonsense words despite the fact that they are told that they are alien names and not real words. The school has sent home a note with the results saying that this has happened with a large number of their children. This makes sense to me: the human mind is made to create patterns out chaos - we see faces in the shadows of curtains - and children do the same thing when they are reading especially when this is "not a test" and nothing depends on paying attention - not even properly working out a narrative!

My dilemma now is how I deal with this with the school? My child almost certainly does not need intervention but I feel I can hardly ignore this.

It is a screening check used to check a child's ability to decode new words (similar to checks used by Educational Psychologists to identify children who may be at risk).
Schools are using this laughable excuse and the pilot results to cover their blushes.

To be fair this was an issue raised by a number of senior and eminent educationlists and experts in phonics who sent an open letter to the govt criticising the test on this and other grounds. This does not of course mean you are not right....My child's school did not prep the children or revise the words like many tho so I'm wondering if this failure to rehearse exaggerated this problem.

and what I am torn between is a number of thoughts some of which are contradictory:

1. My child can read and decode far above average for her age.
2. Even if the test is right - do I care that her phonics skills are less than her reading/comprehension skills as after all these are merely a means to an end she is clearly already achieving in her own way
3. Do I really want my child targeted with intervention when she is bright enough to know what that means and it may affect her confidence (her handwriting, like mine at that age is not great and she is already suspicious that she is the only one being sent home with extra practice....)
4. Is the school at fault for failing an above average child?

Is everything that I think about her being above average (and all the other information I have recieved on this head from her foundation and key stage ratings wrong....)