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So here we are- KS2 SATS Week...

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ampere · 14/05/2012 08:15

Feeling more nervous than DS2!

He's 'borderline', particularly in Literacy. He'll be so happy if he gets a 4 (as will I!) so off he went just now with me offering my last minute bon mots ('Read carefully! Most of the answers are in the text! If it doesn't make sense, you've not read it properly' etc).

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EllenJaneisnotmyname · 14/05/2012 21:50

Blimey, SeaHouses. That actually wasn't helping her then!

SeaHouses · 14/05/2012 21:53

No, but that is the peril of cheating, isn't it? You're making the assumption as a teacher that you can remember exactly what question is right for each part of a test, and work around a class correcting people correctly. You're bound to make mistakes about who is answering which question. At least that is what I assume has happened.

seeker · 14/05/2012 21:53

Teahouses- one question wrong isn't a disaster- you don't have to get 100%!

MoreCrackThanHarlem · 14/05/2012 21:56

I felt there were far too many questions in the reading test.
Only my top level 5 children finished the paper.

The structure of the questions meant that the 'easy' 9 or so marks in the last section were missed as children got bogged down with the harder questions nearer the middle.

The 'cool' question was unclear imo, the children didn't realise which part of the text was being referred to.
Lots of flicking and scanning involved- v time consuming.
Positives- the text was quite 'boy friendly', and far more interesting than the borefest that was last year's 'Caving' paper.

SeaHouses · 14/05/2012 21:58

Seeker, it is a long story, far beyond getting one question wrong. I think you actually took the time to go through various stuff about DD with me before when I posted under a different username.

I'm sorry for taking over this thread due to my stress.

EllenJaneisnotmyname · 14/05/2012 22:05

I was lucky to be with those DC who get extra time, but even they didn't answer all the questions. We have been teaching them an exam technique, though. They are lower ability and have been told to leave all 3 mark questions to last, as they are often the level 5 questions and very time consuming which meant they did get to the easier questions at the end.

littlelegsmum · 14/05/2012 22:13

My DD has been given the same strategy Ellen and if I could of found any information out about the test today, i'd gladly confirm.

However, as it's over with DD doesn't want to talk about it!! ;)

Feenie · 14/05/2012 22:13

I've asked DD and she says she has put that it meant the girl was cold as the answer to A. Her teacher tapped her on the head, shook his head and pointed to her answer. She then rubbed it out, put in that it meant the girl looked good, and the teacher smiled and nodded his head. She then put no answer to part B.

Omg, that is out and out cheating! I wish I knew which school it was, since I would report them.

MoreCrackThanHarlem · 14/05/2012 22:21

The problem with this test was that the 3 mark questions were sandwiched between the retrieval qs, as opposed to the more common '3 markers at the end' style tests.

Tragic that 11yo children should spend large portions of their final Primary year learning exam technique.
Roll on Thursday, and a return to a full and broad curriculum.

EllenJaneisnotmyname · 14/05/2012 22:23

It's worse than that, though. 'The girl looked cool,' didn't mean she looked good, that was the answer to the second part of the question, 'What could it present day people have thought it meant?' So they were cheating, but actually didn't help her at all.

EllenJaneisnotmyname · 14/05/2012 22:25

Oops, should have previewed that one.

Voidka · 14/05/2012 22:31

We had lots of tears about SATS this morning, but DS came home quite calm and told me his paper was about the Black Plague. When I said did he mean the Black Death he said he thought so.

Literacy is his real weakness and he is glad that its the first ones.

littlelegsmum · 14/05/2012 22:31

Oh my word . . So they've cheated AND they need to take the tests themselves?!

EllenJaneisnotmyname · 14/05/2012 22:38

It was the Great Plague, not the Black Death.

Voidka · 14/05/2012 22:40

Ah ha!

Well DS thinks he either got 27 right or 41 apparently!

SeaHouses · 14/05/2012 22:40

I don't think it was a case that the teacher didn't know the right answer; I would assume the teacher didn't realise which section of the question they were correcting, as they were presumably walking around checking the answers of the whole class so made a mistake as to which question DD was filling in on the answer sheet. They haven't any particular preference for my DD and she isn't on any kind of list for extra help of the legitimate kind so I doubt it was only her that they were 'helping'

Voidka · 14/05/2012 22:42

Is anyone elses school marking their own writing tests?

Feenie · 14/05/2012 22:44

Most are - only a small sample are externally marked. We are one of the chosen this year .

Feenie · 14/05/2012 22:45

They aren't allowed to go around 'checking' answers, Seahouses - it's cheating plain and simple.

clam · 14/05/2012 22:45

seahorses That is OUTRAGEOUS!
I'm not one to readily complain, but I think I'd be going in to talk to the Head about that one. Let's hope it doesn't make a difference between one level and another.

EllenJaneisnotmyname · 14/05/2012 22:46

You are probably right, SeaHouses. But they would have been better off just letting the DC get on with it, by the sound of it, instead of cheating (badly.) Not that you don't know that, of course.

SeaHouses · 14/05/2012 22:52

Yes, Feenie, I'm not denying that it is cheating. It indisputably is cheating. And it is cheating in that it was rehearsed in advance. DD told me she knew what a tap on a head, pointing at question etc meant because it was done so many times when they did old SATs papers.

My point is that the teacher got DD to change a right answer for a wrong one because he was going around checking the answers of the whole class and made a mistake as to which bit DD was answering, probably thinking she was filling in B rather than A on that question.

CointreauVersial · 14/05/2012 22:54

DD1 and my three Y6 nieces all thought today was not too bad, but I must ask about the italics question.

DD1's very excited about the bacon sandwiches and hash browns on tomorrow's breakfast menu, sod the SATs!

SeaHouses · 14/05/2012 22:55

EllenJane, I think it is probably quite distracting and slows pupils down. They would be better off getting on with it from a marks point of view. But obviously there are other issues with cheating - it is unfair, it is a poor life lesson about working towards a goal, it gives the child little sense of achievement if they haven't actually achieved a mark themselves and so on.

TheFallenMadonna · 14/05/2012 22:57

Pretty shocked to read about the cheating.

DS says it was OK. He refuses to tell me what he wrote for the italics question

He says he had loads of time and double checked his answers. Literacy is his worst subject. He is dreading tomorrow...

He is also doing the extension Maths papers next tuesday, but not the English ones, so he has a break and then it hits him again.

I have done nothing extra with him at home, so feel slightly bad at all these people who have gone over the meanings of italics etc

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