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So here we are- KS2 SATS Week...

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ampere · 14/05/2012 08:15

Feeling more nervous than DS2!

He's 'borderline', particularly in Literacy. He'll be so happy if he gets a 4 (as will I!) so off he went just now with me offering my last minute bon mots ('Read carefully! Most of the answers are in the text! If it doesn't make sense, you've not read it properly' etc).

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singersgirl · 17/05/2012 17:51

Well, I'm usually quite nosey, but I prefer not to know after tests, to be honest. Then you just worry about what they got wrong.

DS2 has told me they did the Level 6 writing this afternoon. We wandered into his classroom today after an afterschool club to get something he'd forgotten and both Y6 teachers were in there - his literacy teacher said "Well done, you did well today." I think it was meant as a generally encouraging remark, though, rather than specific praise for his writing efforts!

Whoopydofoxpoo · 17/05/2012 17:52

BUt schools who have opted out of SATS how do they assess the level the child is at to pass on to secondary ?

Feenie · 17/05/2012 17:53

State schools can't opt out of SATs - they are a legal requirement.

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Whoopydofoxpoo · 17/05/2012 17:57

Feenie - state schools can opt out - happened a couple of years ago . We had this discusion at our school and head decided to stay with them.

TheFallenMadonna · 17/05/2012 17:58

In the past, a student with no KS2 levels would be judged as making acceptable progress if they get a B or above. Not sure how the introduction of level 6 at KS2 affects that.

20% of our year 11s have no KS2 data. Many because they have moved here from another country. It's a bit difficult really...

Charlie2000 · 17/05/2012 17:58

Ellen, she didn't realise anyone else had one. The boy sitting on her desk didn't get one either. She said she didn't look around the room because she thought that might be seen as cheating (!). The annoying thing is that not only did she not get marks for that question but she tried to do it without the mirror, hence wasting time and then didn't finish the paper. So infuriating - she works so hard!

Feenie · 17/05/2012 17:58

Even Welsh schools are legally required to report teacher assessments at the end of KS2.

Ahh, singersgirl - so your LEA has decided to recognise level 6 now? Smile

I am not sure about that being a dead cert for 5A allows you to sit L6 - perhaps it will vary from school to school.

Children working at a level 6 should sit the level 6 paper. They should have been taught level 6 objectives. It worries me to hear about schools who are allowing 5A children to sit it to see if they scrape a level 6 - it's a flagrant misuse of the test, those children will not be genuine level 6s and secondary teachers will be well within their rights to complain bitterly.

Whoopydofoxpoo · 17/05/2012 17:59

Or was it just one year where teachers were going to boycott them ? Confused

mrz · 17/05/2012 18:01

Whoopydofoxpoo state schools can NOT opt out of SATs it is a legal requirement that they are administered.
Two years ago the head teacher's union and other teaching unions took (legal) industrial action and boycotted the SATs but it was a one off event.

Feenie · 17/05/2012 18:01

Whoopydofoxpoo - I can promise you they absolutely CANNOT. It's a legal requirement for state schools. There is no way to opt out - 2 years ago there was a union dispute, and around 25% of schools boycotted them because they had legal protection from the unions. The unions have accepted Lord Bew's changes and have stepped down atm.

There is NO WAY to opt out.

Hamishbear · 17/05/2012 18:03

Is it true - as someone said up thread - that attainment in these tests etc is seen to broadly equate to ability?

Whoopydofoxpoo · 17/05/2012 18:04

Fennie - look at my last post ! I said was it the year that they boycotted them ?

Feenie · 17/05/2012 18:07

My post was typed before that one, Whoopydofoxpoo - in answer to your post where you told me I was wrong about it being a legal requirement. Smile

Whoopydofoxpoo · 17/05/2012 18:08

They sit SATS at Yr9 - why not set targets from there ? Seems perfectly reasonable? Why not badger Government to change it ?

for pushing SATSnme The ba

Whoopydofoxpoo · 17/05/2012 18:09

all moving too fast Wink

Feenie · 17/05/2012 18:09

They sit SATS at Yr9

No they don't.

Whoopydofoxpoo · 17/05/2012 18:11

OK teacher assessment - but why not set targets from there.

Fennie - some of us do not work in the education sector but would like a better understand so please do be patient with the likes of us Smile

mrz · 17/05/2012 18:12

The KS3 tests were scrapped in 2008

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ampere · 17/05/2012 18:12

I thought Y9 SATS had been done away with years ago!

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mummytime · 17/05/2012 18:12

They can modify the targets by the use of MIDyrs and I think CATs results though?

Whoopydofoxpoo · 17/05/2012 18:13

yes my apologies about Yr 9 SATS Hmm

Feenie · 17/05/2012 18:14

It's Feenie, not Feenie Smile

mrz · 17/05/2012 18:14

The government won't allow teachers to set their own targets because that would suggest they trust us to do our jobs.