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So here we are- KS2 SATS Week...

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ampere · 14/05/2012 08:15

Feeling more nervous than DS2!

He's 'borderline', particularly in Literacy. He'll be so happy if he gets a 4 (as will I!) so off he went just now with me offering my last minute bon mots ('Read carefully! Most of the answers are in the text! If it doesn't make sense, you've not read it properly' etc).

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Merrylegs · 17/05/2012 12:30

Blu - thank you for the sympathy (way up the thread, only just caught up Smile).

DD seems a bit happier today, I think because she has taken the pressure off herself - she knows now there is no way she will get a level 5 in Maths, which is what she wanted (and is perfectly capable of), so went in today determined to salvage what she could.

It has been a good learning curve for her I think - 'don't panic!'

Would that she would listen to me when I tell her 'it doesn't matter/it'll soon be over/it's no big deal'.

'It matters to meeee!' she wails.

(DS1 did 4 AS levels back to back yesterday and didn't bat an eyelid. And they DO matter. Diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks.)

simbo · 17/05/2012 12:37

TES forum says paper B a stinker with only one converse opinion. Anyone?

seeker · 17/05/2012 12:37

Merry legs- she does know that you don't have to get 100% for a level 5, doesn't she?

Merrylegs · 17/05/2012 12:50

Ha! yes seeker, she does. But she seriously messed up yesterday. In fact after telling me all the answers she put we were both just laughing because it was so bad. She kept saying 'I can't believe I wrote that, mummy. I knew it was wrong.' It was like some little devil had gotten inside her brain and turned it all upside down.

Blu · 17/05/2012 12:57

"And, as I keep saying, that the SATs practice is just doing maths and english- not some alien subject called "SATs"! "

That is the crux of my whole issue with the way it has been handled in DS's otherwise excellent primary. It HAS been effectively greated as an extra subject called Sats.

In our first teacher-parent evening in Yr 5 I was told that one of DS's 3 'educational targets' was to recognise that if a question is worth 2 marks there need to be two parts to the answer. That, to my mnd is not an educational target, it is a useful, effective tip in how to do well in a test. Doing maths to consolidate or extend their maths understanding and skills is extending their education. Doing endless practice papers covering the same ground but focusing in SATS passing technique (FOR A WHOLE HALF TERM) is about their ability to pass the test, not their maths ability.

I want DS to be concerned and conscientious about working towards his maths ability. I want him to be able to take a test which asesses and confirms that ability in an objective way. I want his relationship to his own ability and hard work (or not) to be intrinsic, not extrinsic. The pressure he has been put under has not, IMO, been in the interests of a challenging education, but in the interests of the league tables.

And he is a resilient child. he is not my precious ickle pfb (well he is...) - he is a child who has calmly and philosphically co-operated with years of medical procedures that would make any parent's blood run cold.

Some schools seem to handle this better than others. People's experiences of this come from different contexts.

JenaiMarrHePlaysGuitar · 17/05/2012 12:58

Really simbo? Oh dear. It's been going quite well so far. Have forewarned dp (he'll be the one at home when ds gets back from school).

CointreauVersial · 17/05/2012 12:59

DD1 went to school this morning convinced she's doing the Level 6 papers this afternoon - that can't be right, can it?

Iamnotminterested · 17/05/2012 13:04

NEXT WEEK!! How many times?

bubby64 · 17/05/2012 13:04

Sorry if this is after the point. Only just got my computer back today. My 2 DSs taking SATs, DS1 became ill Monday night, vomiting++, called the school Tuesday morning, and they said because he is a twin, he couldnt take the exam another day,as we couldn't guarantee no collusion between brothers, so asked for him to be bought down, I protested, but DS1 got upset as he had worked so hard leading up to these dratted exams, so he went down, was sat in a seperate room with his bucket, and did the exam (external marked!), then I took him home again. The same happened yesterday, although, in himself, he did feel a bit better. He has gone for the whole day today, with me on standby unless I here differently. I don't know whether the examiner will be made aware of the circumstances or not, but he certainly will not be working at his usual level of ability, considering how unwell he felt!

CointreauVersial · 17/05/2012 13:06

Oh excuuuuuuse me Iamnotinterested for not having read every post.....

JenaiMarrHePlaysGuitar · 17/05/2012 13:07

I think the stress must be getting to Iamnotminterested, Cointreau Grin

simbo · 17/05/2012 13:11

Sorry to hear about your ds bubbly, but you can see their point. I'm sure they will be made aware and that it will be taken into consideration if his score varies wildly from his TA. I think that this is common practice at all schools.

bizzey · 17/05/2012 13:14

bubbly Sad for you and your ds's.....I am sure it will be as simbo says

SeaHouses · 17/05/2012 13:15

SATs isn't just Maths and English though. It tests a specific curriculum and asks questions about that specific curriculum in a specific way. The nature of the questions is partially a consequence of the need to mark many papers quickly so has narrow rules about what is and is not worth a mark.

There are other tests that could be, and indeed are, given to children of the same age on English and Maths. Children are taught different things in different countries, and even in our own country the SATs are different to the kind of Maths and English tests I did as a child, are different to the Maths and English papers for the 11 plus and are different to the exams given to children being taught within independent schools.

You only have to look at double award GCSE Maths, which has different (but not necessarily more difficult) questions to single award GCSE Maths to see that is possible to teach and examine the same subject area at the same level in very different ways.

JenaiMarrHePlaysGuitar · 17/05/2012 13:15

simbo, what's the intell on this stinker of a maths paper then? I can't access TES from here.

Merrylegs · 17/05/2012 13:17

Blu - that's interesting you say about DS's educational targets being geared towards how many marks a question is worth.

That's just what DD's focus was yesterday and why I think she lost sight of the task.

She kept saying 'but it was a 2 mark answer!' on the ones she had messed up.

On the 2 and 3 markers she felt under more pressure to get them right and so panicked when she couldn't see the answer straight away.

She then became so bogged down with calculating how many marks she was potentially losing, she completely lost the plot!

SeaHouses · 17/05/2012 13:18

Blu, I agree with you though. That situation is not fair on your DS.

Iamnotminterested · 17/05/2012 13:19
simbo · 17/05/2012 13:20

Just a few teachers went online and made that declaration. Not sure how they managed that during the school day. We had had some inside info from our own ranks by this time yesterday, so we'd best wait for that. Most teachers did seem to agree yesterday that paper A was a nice one.

SeaHouses · 17/05/2012 13:22

Jenai, five people on TES forum commenting. Four saying it was hard (agreement that last half was too long winded) and one saying it was easy.

No mention of the question types.

bringbacksideburns · 17/05/2012 13:23

'the attitude of 'don't bother, darling, they don't matter' can have a hugely detrimental effect on a DC's application and motivation in the ensuing secondary years.' - Blimey!

Should i be worried that i am not crippled with angst then and interrrogating DS on what he did and didn't answer in order not to stress him further?
Should i be hothousing him in some way and trying not to feel guilty that i am letting him down by being quite relaxed?

Am i the only one reading some very intense posts on this thread and doin this? Hmm

BigMug · 17/05/2012 13:24

Iamnotinterested - that's not true actually. My dd has been doing Level 6 papers already for Literacy - in fact she has one today. Her final paper is on Monday (L6 Reading I think). So perhaps you should not be so rude.

Iamnotminterested · 17/05/2012 13:27

It was meant as a JOKE.

Jeez.....

Blu · 17/05/2012 13:29

ah. It did look rude and impatient...like 'jeez' does!

Iamnotminterested · 17/05/2012 13:33

Is there a blowing a raspberry emoticon?

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